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Talexe
Does anyone have any ideas about what Work Experience placements would be useful for PPE or History and Politics?

I tried contacting my local MP but I've had no reply - other than that I just have a bank placement, which doesn't sound too interesting.

Thanks! :smile:

I went to my City council for a week spent time with political advisors, and also a fair bit of time with the filing cabinet and coffee machine. i mentioned it in PS but doubt matters much.
pinkpenguin
As far as I know, it's not too important.

I didn't have any work experience, although a few days in your local constituency office is quite good.

Just make sure you don't spend too long talking about it on your personal statement. They would rather know why you want to study the subject. But if you want to make it clear that politics is a field you would possibly like to go into some day, then it'l be fine to go on a bit more about it.

Although, this is just my non-work-experience-having opinion. What do others think?


I had a really good summer working in my local MP's office mostly on a report on the environment and Nottingham's record on green issues though I did some other things as well. But it was just great to not be stuck by a filing cabinet or the kettle like Rosa.:biggrin:

Anyway, from the point of view of having done some work experience I'd agree with everything pinkpenguin just said.
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Leviathon
I had a really good summer working in my local MP's office mostly on a report on the environment and Nottingham's record on green issues though I did some other things as well. But it was just great to not be stuck by a filing cabinet or the kettle like Rosa.:biggrin:

Anyway, from the point of view of having done some work experience I'd agree with everything pinkpenguin just said.


Any advice on how to get a placement for a local MP? Is an e-mail with cover letter and CV enough? That's what I did, and I didn't get a reply. :sigh:
Thanks for the info guys.
Talexe
Any advice on how to get a placement for a local MP? Is an e-mail with cover letter and CV enough? That's what I did, and I didn't get a reply. :sigh:


I take it having a Dad who's friends with your MP is out of the question?:biggrin:

I couldn't tell you what to do mate, sorry. I already knew the guy a bit through my Dad so I just phoned his office and then went to see him. If I could give you one piece of advice though it's that a letter in the post will be more likely to achieve the desired results than an email.

Sorry I can't help you more.
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KwungSun
If one takes less lab-intensive courses in year one, like Evolution or (maybe) compsci, does that reduce the workload? Or do they make up for it in other ways? Or more generally, are there significant differences in workload between first year options?


Can anyone give an excalibur-style answer for the other subjects, especially Physics and Mat&Min :smile:? (As they've been barely breached yet).

And what is the confusing aspect about Ev&Behav practicals? that scares me because it sounds as though its not as clear a science as I thought it would be...
beacmd
And what is the confusing aspect about Ev&Behav practicals? that scares me because it sounds as though its not as clear a science as I thought it would be...


As I said, it's probably more of a reflection on me rather than on E&B :p: It is true that the discipline as a whole is a lot less clear-cut than other sciences, because a lot of the theories and hypotheses are still under constant reconsideration (e.g. the phylogeny between animal groups). This can be a bit frustrating, especially if you were too used to the "learn this regurgitate this" type of science-learning at A-level (like I was....) where everything was the Absolute Truth - but at the same time, it makes you think (a bit) more than the slightly mind-numbing sequence of facts that is Cells, and the content is just so much more interesting (if you like that sort of stuff). Anyway, it's not nearly as handwavey as I thought - there's still hard facts to learn, and even with the topics that do not yet have a clear-cut answer, if you know the main points behind each theory it shouldn't be confusing. All in all, it's a lot more about concepts rather than facts, which is really quite refreshing. Do it! :wink:
Talexe
Any advice on how to get a placement for a local MP? Is an e-mail with cover letter and CV enough? That's what I did, and I didn't get a reply. :sigh:


Try W4mp.com. I was procrastinating and went on there earlier, discovered that our local MPs and candidates were looking for some campaign workers/interns, so I e-mailed a query about whether they may need any help over the holidays, didn't include a CV or anything, and wham bam, 6 hours later, I got an e-mailed basically offering me an internship in the local Constituency Office and a Parliamentary Office if I liked. Apparently the trick is to not be too picky :smile:. I applied for the Conservatives, despite be far far far left naturally. It's all experience :biggrin:. Wooo, I'm so happy.

Sorry if this looks a little like rubbing it in your face, I've had too much to drink and I got offered a job! My main point again - look for someone who's looking for interns/volunteers, and even if it's not suitable for you, try e-mailing them to ask if they have anything for suitable. Chances are they're looking for more than one person, and if it's for a campaign, they need all the help they can get :biggrin:.

Good luck!
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beacmd
Can anyone give an excalibur-style answer for the other subjects, especially Physics and Mat&Min :smile:? (As they've been barely breached yet).


Maths A/B - a project set over the easter holidays, which from what I've heard is easy enough to be a night-before job.

Physics - 2-5.45 one afternoon every other week, with a (usually trivial) preliminary exercise to hand in. All the practicals are assessed except the first one of michaelmas, and together with a short report over christmas and a longer one over easter, make up ~ 1/4 of the physics mark, IIRC.

Compsci - michaelmas: 6 exercises to be handed in, spread throughout term, with the first two being impossible to get wrong, and the last one set over christmas. As long as you've written a program that does vaguely what you want (heard from assessor of guy next to me: "wow, you've really misunderstood this... well, it would be a bit of a waste of your time to make you do it again, so I'll give you the marks"), this gets a mark on a 1/0 scale. lent: 2 hour java practical every thursday, with work set to hand in by the next session. Not sure how much all of this contrbutes to the final grade.

Geology: practicals 3 times a week, each one hour. Not assessed, most of the time can get away early.

Edit: don't do minerals, but believe it's roughly the same as geology, but with a few being assessed, and attendance registered.
Scipio90
this gets a mark on a 1/0 scale.

Lol, trust compsci to have a binary marking system.
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Scipio90

Geology: practicals 3 times a week, each one hour. Not assessed, most of the time can get away early.


But there is also a Geology practical exam at the end of the year.
Reply 3531
Mrs Carrothead
Try W4mp.com. I was procrastinating and went on there earlier, discovered that our local MPs and candidates were looking for some campaign workers/interns, so I e-mailed a query about whether they may need any help over the holidays, didn't include a CV or anything, and wham bam, 6 hours later, I got an e-mailed basically offering me an internship in the local Constituency Office and a Parliamentary Office if I liked. Apparently the trick is to not be too picky :smile:. I applied for the Conservatives, despite be far far far left naturally. It's all experience :biggrin:. Wooo, I'm so happy.

Sorry if this looks a little like rubbing it in your face, I've had too much to drink and I got offered a job! My main point again - look for someone who's looking for interns/volunteers, and even if it's not suitable for you, try e-mailing them to ask if they have anything for suitable. Chances are they're looking for more than one person, and if it's for a campaign, they need all the help they can get :biggrin:.

Good luck!


That site looks like it's orientated around actually getting a job. Being fairly young still, I was just thinking about work experience (i.e. shadowing an MP without any political experience or qualifications needed). Is this the sort of placement that you got?

Edit: I've found a page about work experience - it's nothing special, but certainly helpful. Thanks!
Anecdotal evidence I know, but I heard from my AS Chemistry teacher that a previous student (who went to either Oxford or Cambridge) of hers was telling her that he had a practical that lasted eight hours.

Firstly, would something like this be feasible, and if so, would it be a common occurence or just a rarity?

Not to mention, that I can't really conceive of any practical that would last such a long time. What do you guys actually do in those practicals if you don't mind me asking.
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Liquid27
Anecdotal evidence I know, but I heard from my AS Chemistry teacher that a previous student of hers was telling her that he had a practical that lasted eight hours.

Firstly, would something like this be feasible, and if so, would it be a common occurence or just a rarity?

Not to mention, that I can't really conceive of any practical that would last such a long time. What do you guys actually do in those practicals if you don't mind me asking.


I've heard 2nd year physics practicals are this long, so it's definitely feasible. I'm pretty sure 1A chemistry practicals are long, so it could well be the case. Chemistry practicals are every week or every other week, not sure which.

Bear in mind the time includes analysing/writing up conclusions.
Liquid27
Anecdotal evidence I know, but I heard from my AS Chemistry teacher that a previous student (who went to either Oxford or Cambridge) of hers was telling her that he had a practical that lasted eight hours.

Firstly, would something like this be feasible, and if so, would it be a common occurence or just a rarity?

Not to mention, that I can't really conceive of any practical that would last such a long time. What do you guys actually do in those practicals if you don't mind me asking.


Uh, if it's 8 hours long it's definitely not IA Chemistry/Cells/E&B/Physiology/Mat&Min/Geology/Compsci. :p: (not sure about the others) It was possibly something in IB or Part II? (or at Oxford?) The longest for IA is 11-5pm (with 30min-1 hour lunch break in between) so even if you have no lunch and it takes you the whole way till 5, that's still only 6 hours.

For Chemistry at least, the actual practical part takes about 2-3 hours (there's a bit of waiting around to do, like desiccation for 1 hour, taking IR spectroscopy measurements, etc) and there is a writeup which can be variable in how long it takes you to do. For Cells, there's usually about 3-4 things to do (often simultaneously :shifty: ) during one session, so there are a lot of steps to do and a lot of (tedious) graph drawing, measurement taking and writeups.

E&B practicals are a bit weird. Today we watched a video of one of David Attenborough's series for one hour, then looked at some specimens in the Zoology museum. :wink:
By the way, is anybody actually enjoying this course? Most comments I hear are sort of along the lines of "well some parts of it are quite interesting, BUT...". It sometimes sounds a bit more like a necessary evil than a pleasurable pursuit...or is that just standard student cynicism?
Talexe
That site looks like it's orientated around actually getting a job. Being fairly young still, I was just thinking about work experience (i.e. shadowing an MP without any political experience or qualifications needed). Is this the sort of placement that you got?


I certainly hope so, because I have A Levels and that's about it so far :smile:, and I failed to find an internship over summer (fail :frown:). I try to look at the 'volunteer' and 'internship' positions, and as I said, usually enquire as to whether someone at uni (or school in your case) would be okay to apply, and if not, whether they maybe had anything more suitable. I think they're quite eager to get us young'uns into politics, unfortunately for you you're not a girl, but it could be worse :biggrin:.

Give it go, you never know. :smile:
Reply 3537
Liquid27

Firstly, would something like this be feasible, and if so, would it be a common occurence or just a rarity?

Not to mention, that I can't really conceive of any practical that would last such a long time. What do you guys actually do in those practicals if you don't mind me asking.


IB Physics practicals are 8 hours long and are either one on day or split between two. I don't know if you can access these outside Cam but if you can, you can see exactly what you do for 8 hours here.

http://www-teach.phy.cam.ac.uk/dms/dms_getFile.php?node=2698

This is 2nd year material, the first year practicals are a bit more straightforward and lead you through it much more IIRC. They also don't really need 8 hours but given the time, people tend to use most of it.
What's all this about physiology practicals being hard? They're no harder than any other practicals, and unlike other practicals, they're fun. And they are not 6 hours long - there is a 1 hour session before lunch which is discussion of the previous week's practical, then a 3 hour session after lunch which can finish early depending on how fast you work. And in second year they're only 2/3 hours long.

Physiology practicals are also a great way of meeting other natscis as the group size for each practical is variable and you can work with different people each week - compared to something like Cells where you get a position in the lab at the beginning of the year and stay there, and things like chemistry where you work on your own anyway.
Reply 3539
KwungSun
By the way, is anybody actually enjoying this course? Most comments I hear are sort of along the lines of "well some parts of it are quite interesting, BUT...". It sometimes sounds a bit more like a necessary evil than a pleasurable pursuit...or is that just standard student cynicism?


Hmm. Overall, for me, I would say physics and maths are a necessary evil, being something I have to study to get to physics in the later years, but are both a bit too slow to be enjoyable, with problems that are a bit too straightforward. Geology contains content that is interesting, but I'd prefer to engage with it more on a documentary/popular science level than having to learn it for an exam. Compsci is biased by the fact that the current lecture course is the dullest ******** you could ever hope to avoid (clients have requirements, which need to be communicated to programmers? well, no ****, sherlock), but overall is quite interesting.

In general I'd say it was tolerable rather than enjoyable.

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