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Supermerp
Dude, that's undertalking complex numbers quite a bit. Unless you just meant first year physics.

Complex numbers are everywhere. Now that I have a degree in Physics, it's like the matrix except with argand planes instead of funny green things.


I don't think any of the things I mentioned are done full justice by my description, I was only thinking of first year applications. :tongue: Physics is the only course which waves complex numbers at people in first year as I remember.
Make sure you know all the Core and FP modules inside out. Riley, Hobson and Bence (Mathematical methods for physicists and engineers) is the standard textbook for the course, so may well be worth having a look at that.

Oh cool, I've just ordered it online. Pretty expensive but thankfully my parents are paying for it so I need not worry.

Oh, and don't buy RHB until you get here

...too late now, but thanks for the advice.


So it seems I need to know my FP1 and FP2 well. I'm not actually taking FP2 though since I'm only doing AS level further maths, but I can probably borrow it from school. What about M3? Is it worth looking at that? I take it stats is pretty much irrelevant...

You could have a look at the NST workbook if you liked. But you'll probably get sent that eventually anyway.

Right now I'm trying to open it up...

EDIT: Nice. I'll have a go at them when I can be bothered.
Kyle_S-C
I don't think any of the things I mentioned are done full justice by my description, I was only thinking of first year applications. :tongue: Physics is the only course which waves complex numbers at people in first year as I remember.

I'll have you know they're part of QB, to a degree of complexity lower than in further maths.

...QB is a funny course.
Reply 3603
Hi guys,

Just a quick question really. I'm still only in Year 11, haven't taken my GCSEs yet, etc, but I would really like to know if there's anything I could do to maximise my chances of getting into Cambridge, for NatSci (Physical), considering that making the wrong decisions about my A-Levels could scupper my chances completely. Planning on taking Maths, Further Maths, Chemistry, Physics and English Literature.
I've been writing letters to institutions, labs, observatories et al to ask about work experience, but no joy yet. Also heard about the Nuffield Science Bursaries - hoping to apply for one of them next year. I do quite a lot of extra-curricular stuff, and considerable amounts of sport, and music too.
Is it now just a matter of studying like hell, getting good GCSEs, then AS & A2s, high UMS in modules etc?
pinky198
Hi guys,

Just a quick question really. I'm still only in Year 11, haven't taken my GCSEs yet, etc, but I would really like to know if there's anything I could do to maximise my chances of getting into Cambridge, for NatSci (Physical), considering that making the wrong decisions about my A-Levels could scupper my chances completely. Planning on taking Maths, Further Maths, Chemistry, Physics and English Literature.
I've been writing letters to institutions, labs, observatories et al to ask about work experience, but no joy yet. Also heard about the Nuffield Science Bursaries - hoping to apply for one of them next year. I do quite a lot of extra-curricular stuff, and considerable amounts of sport, and music too.
Is it now just a matter of studying like hell, getting good GCSEs, then AS & A2s, high UMS in modules etc?


Pretty much, you seem to have everything under control.
ich weiss nicht
Thanks guys, it's really great to get your advice on this :biggrin:

Another question - my school offers something called the Economics Pre-U as well as Economics A-level. The Pre-U is a linear course much like the old Economics A-level and apparently the top unis look favourably on it. Would it be any advantage doing it, because I wondered if: a) it is better than Economics A-level in any way b) the course content might put me at any advantage for the UCAS or the PPE interview/course (it's more topically based and harde apparently) and c) it is a better option than choosing Chemistry A-level?

Still inclined towards Chemistry, but just wanted to double check these things. Sorry...paranoid me! Thanks :smile:


I was a chem student - You'll be fine with it - Economics won't disadvantage you at interview. best of luck!!
Out of interest - for all those accepted recently or in the past for PPE at Oxford, where were you rejected from (if none, say so)

For me it was Durham - would be interest to see a tally.
London Prophet
Out of interest - for all those accepted recently or in the past for PPE at Oxford, where were you rejected from (if none, say so)

For me it was Durham - would be interest to see a tally.


So far just Bristol but I am expecting a rejection from Durham and I'm 50-50 on what York will say.
Planning on taking Maths, Further Maths, Chemistry, Physics and English Literature.

Eng Lit at A level obviously isn't necessary and won't really benefit your application, but if you would enjoy doing it and think you can manage the workload, go ahead and do it.

...although I guess you're planning on doing it at AS and then dropping it?

Also heard about the Nuffield Science Bursaries

I did one for four weeks. Definitely helps, although curiously my interviewers ignored my project in the interview, even though it was the whole of my second paragraph of my personal statement.

Just make sure you get high UMS, a strong personal statement and a good interview and I'm sure you'll get in. :wink:

Although that's no mean feat...
Reply 3609
Yeah I thought perhaps Eng Lit wasn't the most relevant A Level, but I do enjoy it and can handle the workload, and perhaps it will demonstrate a 'breadth of knowledge'? who knows, but I think I will drop it at AS.
If you don't mind me asking, where did you go for the NSB? I quite like the idea of going to the Cavendish but the site says that preference is given to those living locally.

And yes! I know I'm years away, but the thought of the interview scares the hell out of me even now! Thanks for the advice! :smile:
London Prophet
Out of interest - for all those accepted recently or in the past for PPE at Oxford, where were you rejected from (if none, say so)

For me it was Durham - would be interest to see a tally.


I got rejected by LSE to Politics and Philosophy.

Didn't stick around to wait for Durham... :ninjagirl: withdrew to firm Oxford.
Reply 3611
London Prophet
Out of interest - for all those accepted recently or in the past for PPE at Oxford, where were you rejected from (if none, say so)

For me it was Durham - would be interest to see a tally.


Currently a 1st year

Was rejected from Bristol for Politics and Economics

By the way, thanks for your contributions to this thread and TSR in general - i found them very helpful during my application!
London Prophet
Out of interest - for all those accepted recently or in the past for PPE at Oxford, where were you rejected from (if none, say so)

For me it was Durham - would be interest to see a tally.



UCL and i'm still waiting for Edinburgh and LSE. I only applied for PPE at Ox and Manchester though, the others were ESPS and Politics and Economics respectively.
I'm an offer holder now, expecting to be rejected from Durham, and possibly from UCL Phil&Econ
I'm more interested in those who were rejected for PPE (and thus their PS was just as relevant for both unis)
Yikes sorry if there was a miscommunication, I meant Durham PPE.
I almost did a double-take on reading Pinky's first post: with the exclusion of the fact that I am taking Biology rather than English Lit, we are in exactly the same position.

I have to ask about the division between Biological and Physical sciences- the whole attraction of this course to me is that it allows me to pursue both branches of subjects, something I haven't found anywhere else (with the exclusion of looking abroad to somewhere like the States).
I'm unsure as to how this works as it seems to be a fairly big division between Nat.Sci students: Would anybody care to give me some information on this?

Thank-you :smile:
Terpsichore
I'm unsure as to how this works as it seems to be a fairly big division between Nat.Sci students: Would anybody care to give me some information on this?
The only significant thing is that Physical NatScis have to do Maths whereas Biologists get a choice (and most choose not to do Maths but QB instead). Other than that there are people doing most combinations of subjects in the first year, it's just most people tend to follow the physical/biological divide.
Note also that there's nothing to stop you starting out as a bio natsci and specialising into a phys natsci option (or vice versa), providing you've done the right modules. They only really ask for people to choose phys or bio so they know what questions to ask you at interview, and so they have a rough idea of how many physicsish and biologyish people to let in, though they only treat it as a vague preference. You'll still probably get a different DoS depending on your broad focus though, and apparently a few colleges make more of a distinction between different types of natscis (I believe Excalibur said this was the case at Downing), but it still shouldn't be hard to change from the one side to the other should you so wish. Oh, and QB is still maths, only it's aimed at biologists rather than physicists and is a bit easier. All natscis have to do a maths option, although bio natscis without a maths A-level take elementary maths for biologists, which is, well, elementary, and isn't worth as high a percentage as the other maths options.
Supermerp
The only significant thing is that Physical NatScis have to do Maths whereas Biologists get a choice (and most choose not to do Maths but QB instead). Other than that there are people doing most combinations of subjects in the first year, it's just most people tend to follow the physical/biological divide.


Do biological NatScis get to do Maths A if they want to? And how much harder is it than QB and is it as useful for biological sciences? I've fallen in love with maths this year and even though I'll only have A level maths I think I'm quite good at it (I'm doing maths as an aside this year in one year because I'm an idiot). If it's just as useful to biological sciences I'd rather do Maths A unless I'd struggle, I always just assumed that you pretty much HAD to do QB as a Bio NatSci?

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