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Oxford PPE (Philosophy, Politics and Economics) Students and Applicants

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Eyyyooo
Hi =)

I had decided to 99 % that I would apply for PPE next term but now i'm actually starting to get cold feet... the course sounds really interesting and everything, but exactly where does it lead? I mean, which jobs can you get? and is it easy to get a good job? do many students choose to continue studying and in that case; how does that work? can u e.g. get the jobs equivalent to someone who has studied the economics and management course...?
í'm really interested in all 3 PPE subjects, but my problem is that i'm really interested in a lot of subjects... i'm even considering applying for chemsitry (but not in oxford then, don't have the right courses) so my main interest is to know what sort of jobs u can get since the educatíon actually just lasts a few years, while your career will last the rest of your life...


Pretty much any non-science-related career. The Oxford degree itself is enough to put you in with a good chance in consultancy and investment banking irrelevant of type of degree - so Oxford chemists will compete with Oxford PPE'ists for those same jobs.
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What if you'd like to get a proper job (i.e. none of this management consultancy rubbish!)?
Cicero
What if you'd like to get a proper job (i.e. none of this management consultancy rubbish!)?


My god you don't mean menial labour do you? :hmmm: This man is mad!!!!!
Updated post 1 to take note of the latest guardian league tables (which put Oxford top in Politics, Philosophy and Economics).
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Epicurus
My god you don't mean menial labour do you? :hmmm: This man is mad!!!!!


Haha, no, I mean useful work. None of this 'we deliver efficient, innovative, compelling, innovative, actionable, innovative and market-flexible innovative solutions to leverage your business experience innovatively' rubbish.
Hello everyone... I too am a prospective PPE student but I've noticed that people have been saying that the true criteria for the course is to have a true passion for each subject and I was wondering what exactly does this mean!

Obviously I think that all three disciplines are interesting but to be honest I don't read around all three subjects all the time. My knowledge of politics has been sketched from watching the news and reading newspapers and various things from history lessons. My economics knowledge (the favourite branch currently) is basically from my economics lessons but I do a lot of research and similarly I read articles related to the news. Philosophy unfortunately is my weakest and I'm not sure what to do about this... I have a basic grounding but most of this (quite shamefully) has been picked up from novels etc. as opposed to reading actual texts.

Could anyone please give me some feedback on what else I need to do in order to show that I really would enjoy studying PPE. Perhaps recommendations for a reading list?
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I would really recomend you read some separate introductions to philosophy, politics and economics. Although the guide to ppe provided by oxford says to read an introduction, newspapers and the economist, the 7 people who got in at my college all seem to have read a book from every philosopher under the sun...obviously a small exageration, but i would recomend reading

Hume, An enquirery concerning human understanding
Developments in British politics (latest edition)
Philosophy A very short introducion
Think Simon Blackburn
The Economist weekly
Some sort of economics introduction to get some understanding of the basic concepts...for example in the test game theory did come up, and i hadn't really come across it and it was a nightmare! But if you're taking it at A level then you're probably already in a far better position than i was

Another book often recomended is Russel's Problems of philosophy but i personally didn't read that as i thought if everyone had my answers might be a bit generic (a stupid excuse for laziness probably)
Also consider reading some marx - communist manifesto and rousseau - the social contract, for you political philosophy

Hope thats been helpful
Will
Problems of Philosophy is quite tough in parts. And as for Hume's Enquiry...

No, I wouldn't recommend those two.
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samlangfield
Problems of Philosophy is quite tough in parts. And as for Hume's Enquiry...

No, I wouldn't recommend those two.


To be honest i stand by the Hume's Enquirery as being incredibly valuable for interview.
It was written to be accessible to those without any philosophical background and if you go for the Oxford edition with notes, you get an in depth introduction and commentary that make it very managable.

I don't buy the view that you can just go to interview without a substantial amount of preparation, at least not for PPE...its not worth leaving any stone unturned, as nobody else will.

the problems of philosophy is actually recomended by the oxford as a good introduction to philosophy and the Hume is brilliant for logical clear thinking that you can then bring to your intervier.

I have to say, i stand by my recomendations :smile:
Trepur99
To be honest i stand by the Hume's Enquirery as being incredibly valuable for interview.
It was written to be accessible to those without any philosophical background and if you go for the Oxford edition with notes, you get an in depth introduction and commentary that make it very managable.

I don't buy the view that you can just go to interview without a substantial amount of preparation, at least not for PPE...its not worth leaving any stone unturned, as nobody else will.

the problems of philosophy is actually recomended by the oxford as a good introduction to philosophy and the Hume is brilliant for logical clear thinking that you can then bring to your intervier.

I have to say, i stand by my recomendations :smile:



Why would you read Hume? It doesn't mark out clearly the problems and is a text ridden with problems, its like reading a book written in the 1960's for American Politics.

Your recommendations are far too serious - reading Rousseau's social contract or communist maifesto for political philosophy?! I mean seriously, they are both pretty *******s texts pol phil wise. Someone would be far better to read a nice gentle introduction of key concepts and debates and think about them.
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Corey's right- Simon Blackburn's "Think" is a very good introduction, and I highly recommend "Sophie's World" by Jostein Gaarder (I think that's the right name). And think about what you read- those interviewing you won't be impressed by your reading historically famous philosophers if you have no real idea about what they're saying. Other people are impressed by titles of famous books on your personal statement- not Oxbridge tutors.
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sjuthani
Corey's right- Simon Blackburn's "Think" is a very good introduction, and I highly recommend "Sophie's World" by Jostein Gaarder (I think that's the right name). And think about what you read- those interviewing you won't be impressed by your reading historically famous philosophers if you have no real idea about what they're saying. Other people are impressed by titles of famous books on your personal statement- not Oxbridge tutors.


I highly recommend "A History of Western Philosophy" by Bertrand Russell in place of "Sophie's World". Simply put, Gaardner's book does not sufficiently cover each aspect discussed and leaves the reader with a rather weak and unsupported idea of the subject at hand, whilst Russell's is a lot more detailed and informative as well as connected. o_o
Firz
Russell's is a lot more detailed


For "detailed" read "very long".
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samlangfield
For "detailed" read "very long".


I'd rather have a solid grasp of the topic at hand than to just have a mere glimpse or sliver of information that may not be as substantial. I guess ultimately it boils down to personal preference. :s-smilie:
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Maybe. For me, it was about reading an introductory text to investigate whether I would have any interest whatsoever in persuing philosophy further, and it did that job quite well (IMO).
Try something for more fun.

Robert Pirsig - "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance"

There's a lot of philosophy in it, especially on the metaphysics of quality, but also a large number of other philosophical topics.
Reply 396
Hi!

so now i have decided that i want to apply to PPE next year and have started to think about my application since i want my teachers to write my recommendation letters before the summer break (since i graduate this year=D) first of all; do they ask for one or two letters? (being a non-british student i'm not that familiar with the whole UCAS-system) and most important which teacher should u ask? should u chose one from a subject that is at least slightly related to PPE (like history) or can I pick one from a totally unrelated subject if I think she will be the "best" reference? the subjects i'm currently studying are psychology, math, english, swedish, history and chemistry
I was just wondering if anyone has any further information on the written test for PPE..At the moment the Oxford PPE admissions site still says that they're still thinking about it.
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bunnyandme
I was just wondering if anyone has any further information on the written test for PPE..At the moment the Oxford PPE admissions site still says that they're still thinking about it.


Really? There certainly is one, and there has been for years as far as I'm aware. There should be a specimen paper on the website somewhere which is in exactly the same format as my test was last year.
Reply 399
Hi everybody

Thank you for this thread, wonderful idea.

I need a little help with all the application things. I graduate school next year and would love to study next year in Oxford then. But when and how do I have to apply? Do I have to apply on UCAS?

Can somebody give me a little guide for applying (for pupils from Europe?) or maybe a link?

Thanks!

LoveEng

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