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Reply 4520
erm geology probably has the most facts to learn, partly because you're learning from scratch so need to learn new terminology, etc (like the time periods) and partly because it is assessed by essays

chemistry does involve mechanisms, etc (and probably some conditions) but is taught so that you do apply concepts rather than just learn them

materials i'm not so sure, but definitely won't have to memorise young's moduli or anything like that - might involve lots of formula though
Zygroth
Hmm what do people think of physics? I need to submit a draft list of subjects I want to do first year, and I'm not sure physics should be one of them :s-smilie: I don't particularly like it, and find it pretty boring, though that could be just the way I was taught :p: Is it useful? I'm looking at the LHC and thinking it's a complete waste of money... There's a 0% chance I'm continuing it after year 1 if I do study it (Looking at chemistry really), but I get the feeling some of it will be useful in chemistry...I'm fairly set on chemistry/materials for the other choices.


Blasphemy. I think it's awesome, but that's only because I place large emphasis on how the world functions at its deepest of levels - and I like the maths with which it is written.

If you don't like it though, don't take it. It'll probably be useful for chemistry, but I doubt it will be integral. I, on the other hand, am debating whether to do chemistry at all and whether that will be useful?

Wrt LHC - it's expensive, but by no means a waste of money. The data gathered (when it actually works at the proper energies) will be invaluable in confirming/screwing up our current theories about the nature of the universe and what it actually is. I don't know about you, but I find this far more interesting than analysing the nucleophilic substitution of 2,4-dibromopropane.
Reply 4522
Hello
So, I've just got my GCSE results which are relatively good and now I can concentrate on my long term goals.
I've wanted to do PPE for a long time but I was gonna wait for my GCSE results to come before I completely decided. I'm thinking my A levels, which are politics, history, maths and economics are the right way to go.

What I need is some advice now. I want to have the best chance possible of a 'successful application' but I know there's a lot more to that than just grades.
Can anyone tell me if there is anything specific I should be doing?

Like are there any books I MUST read?
Or the best places to find some work experience?
Or any skills that I should be learning?
Or any goals I should be aiming for?

Thanks in advance
and I'm sorry if these questions have already been answered in the PPE guide already on TSR, I just couldnt sift through 207 pages.
Ppe?
Umm, since you are interested in PPE, PM me. Itd be good to talk about the particulars.
Reply 4525
methusaleh
Well, Im preparing for ppe, just done AS. Ive read some books, mostly economics. Got some work experience at a bank, an investment bank. Joined the school debating/ philosophy clubs. I'm part of 2 politics/ philosophy societies that are out of school a member of the conservatives/ campaign and go door to door, drop leaflets occasionally.

I have also entered an essay competition, in which I was congratulated for coming in the top bracket.

For economics, IEA books have been quite useful. Reading the economist/ spectator can be interesting and informative.


Just to give you an idea of what I have done for it so far. But i still dont feel like it's enough, even though I really enjoy all of it.


not enough?! NOT ENOUGH?!
im not even close to what you've done
ok, its official, i'm your brand new personal academic stalker
I'm having a panic attack about what modules to do in October. E&B is a given, and I would like to do both physiology and cells, however I would like to possibly specialise in biochemistry and therefore would need to do chemistry 1A wouldn't I? The problem is I don't really like chemistry, I'd rather do either all 3 bio modules or 2 bio modules and physics. Ahhh, really don't know what to do, any advice at all (I know I'm the only one who can make the choice but I really have no idea).

phil.
i haven't really done much and I'm going for ppe (very long shot i know lol)

i have been reading the economist, and a few books--- keeping up to date with current affairs

work experience at a law firm and the News Of The World newspaper

im head boy at my school

part of debating team

done public speaking infront of 1500 at 02 and stewarded a march

open uni course in maths for science to compensate for lack of a level maths
methusaleh
Well, Im preparing for ppe, just done AS. Ive read some books, mostly economics. Got some work experience at a bank, an investment bank. Joined the school debating/ philosophy clubs. I'm part of 2 politics/ philosophy societies that are out of school a member of the conservatives/ campaign and go door to door, drop leaflets occasionally.

I have also entered an essay competition, in which I was congratulated for coming in the top bracket.

For economics, IEA books have been quite useful. Reading the economist/ spectator can be interesting and informative.


Just to give you an idea of what I have done for it so far. But i still dont feel like it's enough, even though I really enjoy all of it.


Which essay competition was this?
methusaleh
LOL thanks, I did all that stuff during my AS year, most of it towards the end. So I'm sure you have the potential to do much more.

I suppose it's a lot, but is it enough? There are plenty of guys out there doing much more than me. One guy I know who is doing PPE did more than that and took 6 A-levels. At Oxford, they'll want the people most enthusiastic about the subject!

But I didn't mean to surprise you, just wanted to give you an idea of what I've done. XP

I think Oxford care more for your ability in the subject than how 'committed' you are for the course. Considering both are complimented by each other, passion/ability will surely come across during an interview. You won't get in purely based on your ECs. It'll probably be of advantage when shortlisting, but even then I'd imagine it to be a minor factor.
InVinoVeritas
I'm having a panic attack about what modules to do in October. E&B is a given, and I would like to do both physiology and cells, however I would like to possibly specialise in biochemistry and therefore would need to do chemistry 1A wouldn't I? The problem is I don't really like chemistry, I'd rather do either all 3 bio modules or 2 bio modules and physics. Ahhh, really don't know what to do, any advice at all (I know I'm the only one who can make the choice but I really have no idea).

phil.


I don't think it's an official requirement, but our DoS strongly recommended we do IA chemistry if we were planning on doing biochemistry. Even this year, things like kinetics and thermodynamics in chemistry helped a lot in understanding enzyme kinetics and energy transduction (respiration/photosynthesis etc) - when they try to explain things like that in Cells it tended to be waffly and qualitative, but after looking at it from a chemistry perspective it made complete logical sense. I can't really say how useful it will be for biochem because I haven't done second year yet, but I'd say that chemistry will definitely help, if not necessarily essential.

A lot of people at my college were half coerced into doing chemistry when they didn't really want to do it, but most people ended up liking it, or at least not minding it (although we all had excellent supervisors). It's generally very well lectured (probably the best lectured out of all the IA subjects) and well structured, with pretty easy practicals.

Either E&B/Cells/Physiology or E&B/Cells/Chemistry are popular combinations and well balanced. E&B/Cells/Physics, on the other hand, may be met with some resistance if you are a bionatsci - at least, at my college.
Excalibur
I don't think it's an official requirement, but our DoS strongly recommended we do IA chemistry if we were planning on doing biochemistry. Even this year, things like kinetics and thermodynamics in chemistry helped a lot in understanding enzyme kinetics and energy transduction (respiration/photosynthesis etc) - when they try to explain things like that in Cells it tended to be waffly and qualitative, but after looking at it from a chemistry perspective it made complete logical sense. I can't really say how useful it will be for biochem because I haven't done second year yet, but I'd say that chemistry will definitely help, if not necessarily essential.

A lot of people at my college were half coerced into doing chemistry when they didn't really want to do it, but most people ended up liking it, or at least not minding it (although we all had excellent supervisors). It's generally very well lectured (probably the best lectured out of all the IA subjects) and well structured, with pretty easy practicals.

Either E&B/Cells/Physiology or E&B/Cells/Chemistry are popular combinations and well balanced. E&B/Cells/Physics, on the other hand, may be met with some resistance if you are a bionatsci - at least, at my college.


Thank you. I do think physics is a bit of a pipe dream anyways, and as most of it in IA is apparently classical (from what I've seen on the website) which I find boring I doubt that's a realistic choice. Do you think physiology or cells is more important for zoology/biochemistry related subjects in IB? I really found Chemistry boring at A level and have already forgotten most of it but I do think I'll probably end up doing E&B, Chemistry and Cells/Physiology.

phil.
Kneechuh
I think Oxford care more for your ability in the subject than how 'committed' you are for the course. Considering both are complimented by each other, passion/ability will surely come across during an interview. You won't get in purely based on your ECs. It'll probably be of advantage when shortlisting, but even then I'd imagine it to be a minor factor.


I agree
Of course it is your ability that is most important, but bear in mind that these interviewers want someone highly committed to the course. They want some1 who will make the most of the opportunity and some1 who is enjoyable to teach. However, I suppose that's a prerequisite for most serious applicants.

Doing lots of ECs may also improve your general ability and help you develop your interests. Its not something of minor importance, just to be put on a CV.:p:

edit: It also gives you stuff to talk about at the interview.
methusaleh
RES essay competition "are economic recessions inevitable"

Well done for getting highly commended.

I was going to enter that competition, and had started making a plan and everything, but then things just got too much and I didn't get round to it...:rolleyes:
InVinoVeritas
Thank you. I do think physics is a bit of a pipe dream anyways, and as most of it in IA is apparently classical (from what I've seen on the website) which I find boring I doubt that's a realistic choice. Do you think physiology or cells is more important for zoology/biochemistry related subjects in IB? I really found Chemistry boring at A level and have already forgotten most of it but I do think I'll probably end up doing E&B, Chemistry and Cells/Physiology.

phil.


Don't get me wrong, I think you can still do biochemistry at IB without having done IA chemistry - I know a lot of people who did all 3 bio options doing biochem this year - but it's just that most people do take chemistry, and I think it will help. If you really dislike chemistry though, don't be forced into doing it. Your DoS may also have other opinions so discuss with him/her before making a final decision.

Cells is definitely the option that the vast, vast majority of bionatscis take and is the fundamental subject that is essential for a lot of IB options. Unless you are absolutely 100% sure that you don't want to specialise in something cellular (ie sure you want to do whole organism/ecology/zoology etc) then Cells is recommended. Bio of Cells is essential for IB biochemistry and cell & developmental biology, and is recommended for pathology. Physiology is not essential for any, and is recommended for neurobiology and physiology. Take a look here (clicky).
Graphix
Well done for getting highly commended.

I was going to enter that competition, and had started making a plan and everything, but then things just got too much and I didn't get round to it...:rolleyes:


Thank you :smile:

If I were you, I'd finish it and submit it to Oxbridge anyway.
methusaleh
Thank you :smile:

If I were you, I'd finish it and submit it to Oxbridge anyway.

Haha - Us PPE applicants don't have to submit written work anymore - thankfully... :wink:
Excalibur
Don't get me wrong, I think you can still do biochemistry at IB without having done IA chemistry - I know a lot of people who did all 3 bio options doing biochem this year - but it's just that most people do take chemistry, and I think it will help. If you really dislike chemistry though, don't be forced into doing it. Your DoS may also have other opinions so discuss with him/her before making a final decision.

Cells is definitely the option that the vast, vast majority of bionatscis take and is the fundamental subject that is essential for a lot of IB options. Unless you are absolutely 100% sure that you don't want to specialise in something cellular (ie sure you want to do whole organism/ecology/zoology etc) then Cells is recommended. Bio of Cells is essential for IB biochemistry and cell & developmental biology, and is recommended for pathology. Physiology is not essential for any, and is recommended for neurobiology and physiology. Take a look here (clicky).


Ok, thank you very much for your help. I think I'll do E&B, Cells and probably Chemistry though I'll read around the specs more before I choose between Chemistry and Physiology. Then I have to decide between Maths A and Mathematical Biology :s-smilie:. Thanks, you have been very helpful.

phil.
I didn't know I wanted to do PPE til June this year?? :s-smilie:
This may be a disadvantage... I was looking around for econ/international relations related degrees and my teacher told me about PPE at Oxford. Googled it and found TSR. Spoke to people about it. Looked through the Oxford Course guide/syllabus. Fell in love with it. I've always been doing LOADS of ECs... debating/MUN etc are a part of them. Worked at an NGO/Legal Aid project simply cos I wanted to, not because of Uni... BUT I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING!! I read the papers and the Economist. But I just have. not. READ. Which freaks me out, but MY STUPID LIBRARY WAS CLOSED OVER THE SUMMER!! And I signed up for another... but they're TRASH. So I've just asked my teachers to lend me some books so I can read them quickly, I guess? Would this seriously affect my PS?
TsarinaMeg
I didn't know I wanted to do PPE til June this year?? :s-smilie:
This may be a disadvantage... I was looking around for econ/international relations related degrees and my teacher told me about PPE at Oxford. Googled it and found TSR. Spoke to people about it. Looked through the Oxford Course guide/syllabus. Fell in love with it. I've always been doing LOADS of ECs... debating/MUN etc are a part of them. Worked at an NGO/Legal Aid project simply cos I wanted to, not because of Uni... BUT I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING!! I read the papers and the Economist. But I just have. not. READ. Which freaks me out, but MY STUPID LIBRARY WAS CLOSED OVER THE SUMMER!! And I signed up for another... but they're TRASH. So I've just asked my teachers to lend me some books so I can read them quickly, I guess? Would this seriously affect my PS?


Don't worry!

You could always mention a book on your PS if it's relevant but you haven't quite finished it and just make sure you have done before interview. You still have plenty of time to read for interview, they want a broad knowledge and interest, not for you to recite books at them! You have over a month til you need to send your PS anyway, which doesn't need to be crammed with books - i think i only mentioned two books in mine (if you'd like me to send you it feel free to PM me)

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