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Original post by Bezzler
I find it highly unlikely you'll fully understand/be able to talk about Kant, Hegel or Nietzsche without reading a *lot* of books about it. I'd recommend Descartes and Hume, some Plato would be good, and then modern epistemology and metaphysics things (e.g. Gettier). Oh, and some ethics, they love that in interviews - Mill's Utilitarianism? They'll be much more useful for the interview and for the first year, should you get in.

Can't comment on the other P or E.


Well I started to read some very short introduction on Kant's theories and Anti-Christ, interesting I must add, very interesting.

I do understand 'anti-christ' quite well, but of course the 'critique of pure reason' is still something very abstract for someone like me at the moment. Hegel is just !*&#&@#*^@*&#*@, I feel scammed being told to buy his book. But you do have a great point, reading Descarte's mediations might be helpful, especially understand 'ergo sum' in depth would also be helpful I guess.

I also tried reading about Freud since he's in my historiography course (Yes we do have historiography as a course for our final year), I find him to be a total nutter, especially his theory of 'Penis envy'. But his mind on the unconscious of the human mind makes sense I guess, thus Freud is just someone very interesting to me, though he's also very controversial in my eyes.

I'm also quite interesting about computer science and its place in Philosophy. I find Alan Turning to be extremely interesting.. But I guess reading about him wouldn't really help my interview.

Maybe understanding philosophical proofs like the Leibniz' law, modus ponens and etc would also help to justify my argument?

Thanks mate, your advice would be much appreciated.
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yeah you won't be able to understand hegel. to be honest even if you think you understand kant you probably don't (unless you're just reading ethics).

tbh i don't understand why everyone gets so excited by the idea of reading primary texts for this sort of thing, unless you think it's just a signalling effect. you will not be asked about a list of books you have provided, so it is much better to read more contemporary stuff which will make you better at answering questions (especially if your intention is to do well in the interview, rather than just get smarter)

almost everything you've referred to is really old, anyway.
Original post by probably not
yeah you won't be able to understand hegel. to be honest even if you think you understand kant you probably don't (unless you're just reading ethics).

tbh i don't understand why everyone gets so excited by the idea of reading primary texts for this sort of thing, unless you think it's just a signalling effect. you will not be asked about a list of books you have provided, so it is much better to read more contemporary stuff which will make you better at answering questions (especially if your intention is to do well in the interview, rather than just get smarter)

almost everything you've referred to is really old, anyway.


To be honest, I'm not even planning to refer to any of the books I've read in my personal statement. Perhaps only one which fascinates me the most... But having an old and orthodox view on Philosophy could equip myself with more evidences to support and rationalise my arguments? That's at least what I think.
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don't really understand how. do you mean saying something like "i think this, my belief is reinforced by dead white dude x"?
The key thing with Oxbridge admissions is that expect you to have all the background knowledge intact, and they will quiz you on it. But they also want you to go t he extra mile, assert and define your own beliefs and then reinforce them with your own reasoning. They are looking for independent thinkers, not ones who just spend hours buried in a book and are able to parrot off a list of names and dates.
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Original post by Ocassus
The key thing with Oxbridge admissions is that expect you to have all the background knowledge intact, and they will quiz you on it. But they also want you to go t he extra mile, assert and define your own beliefs and then reinforce them with your own reasoning. They are looking for independent thinkers, not ones who just spend hours buried in a book and are able to parrot off a list of names and dates.

I would go further than that; for Philosophy, at least, you don't necessarily need the background knowledge. Often tutors will have a specific topic they want to question you on (usually logic, ethics, or scepticism, I think) and it makes little difference whether you have any background knowledge. Sometimes, as happened with me, they'll do that for some of it and then talk about something you said you were interested in in your personal statement. But background knowledge is by no means a necessity, and often isn't that helpful in and of itself, beyond demonstrating your interest in the subject.
yeah the risk with asking loads of qs about background knowledge is that if a candidate hasn't read a specific book, article, whatever, it shuts down the interview, even though they might be good and just happen not to have read the relevant thing. this isn't helped by the fact that the kids who've read all the relevant articles tend to be the ones who've been prepped by their school or equivalent.
I would take Philosophy and Ethics. It is helpful for the admissions test you take (REALLY IS) and you only need to learn a few facts here and there, and if you're intelligent and throw a few names and ideas around you will come out with an A.
Original post by cloudstr1f3r

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I'm also quite interesting about computer science and its place in Philosophy. I find Alan Turning to be extremely interesting.. But I guess reading about him wouldn't really help my interview.


Did you know that Oxford are introducing a new Computer Science and Philosophy joint degree?
Original post by Oxford ComLab
Did you know that Oxford are introducing a new Computer Science and Philosophy joint degree?


I do know, but I wish to do economics :/
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I am interested in applying for PPE course in oxford for 2012 entry, but I am only taking three AS (four including critical thinking) and three A-level subjects. my A-level subjects are Maths, Econs and Physics.

do I stand a chance with this combination? will having only three subjects at AS level weaken my application? assuming that I got AAA that is. hmm.
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I think you would be fine although from what I have gathered from reading the many threads on TSR there is a lot of writing involved in the PPE course, upwards of 2000 word essays on a regular basis or something along those lines.

I would suggest an essay writing subject like History/English to show that you can write, having said that if you tick all their boxes on the personal statement, GCSE/AS results and do well in interview, I don't necessarily think they would give a monkeys on whether you did an extra subject.
Not having four AS will make your application a lot less competitive against others, and so will your lack of A-Level History.
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Thanks. I feel a lot better now. My GCSE results are 4A*s 3As and 1B for additional mathematics. I suppose being actively involved in the school magazine/winning some essay competitions throughout my schooling years would give them the same idea too, no?
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Original post by Mr Inquisitive
Not having four AS will make your application a lot less competitive against others, and so will your lack of A-Level History.


Maybe I should consider adding up history, at least for AS.
Nah, you wont get in trust me.
Original post by amrudysm
Maybe I should consider adding up history, at least for AS.


I really doubt AS History would be enough, you may want to reconsider your options.
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Original post by amrudysm
Thanks. I feel a lot better now. My GCSE results are 4A*s 3As and 1B for additional mathematics. I suppose being actively involved in the school magazine/winning some essay competitions throughout my schooling years would give them the same idea too, no?


I doubt you would be given an interview as you only have done 8 GCSEs and they aren't brilliant, but are good.

The admission tutors tend not to like extra curricular activities such as sport/volunteering but prefer commitment to your chosen subject.
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Original post by Choppyy
I doubt you would be given an interview as you only have done 8 GCSEs and they aren't brilliant, but are good.

The admission tutors tend not to like extra curricular activities such as sport/volunteering but prefer commitment to your chosen subject.


hmm maybe I should reconsider my options. thanks for the hindsight anyways. and oh, I actually did 9 GCSEs. typo there, 4A* 4A 1B. :smile:
Original post by amrudysm
hmm maybe I should reconsider my options. thanks for the hindsight anyways. and oh, I actually did 9 GCSEs. typo there, 4A* 4A 1B. :smile:


Reconsidering would be wise. Good luck with whatever you choose to pursue.

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