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my finalists last year sat qe...
Original post by Budgie
That's not quite right - the first cohort sat QE last year (and, to be really pedantic, we sat it last week :wink: )


ahh my mistake - I thought you meant 2010, not last academic year. As in the current 2nd years would be the first to sit it.

Wait but you said they introduced the QE core paper last year... so how could the first cohort have sat it last year, if the paper is sat in 3rd year?

Surely it must have been introduced 2 years ago...

Anyway whenever it was introduced, they've now changed the weighting and there is no way I'm sitting it!
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Hello all!

I just wish to consolidate some ideas on whether if I should apply for PPE, so if any of you would be able to help me that'd be great.

I'm studying the New South Wales 'Higher schools certificate' and it is recgonised as a competent course on the Oxford websites.

Regarding to the subjects I'm doing, I'm actually doing around seven subjects right now.

I'm doing subjects such as:

English advanced
English extension. 1
Mathematics (So basically this is like the normal A level mathematics course)
Chinese literature
Economics
Modern History
History extension (The course is about historiography and etc.)

So what do you guys think? I would say I have a very keen interest on all three disciplines of PPE, but I'm really unfamiliar with the Oxford system since I'm miles away from England.

I actually have other courses in mind, and they are History & economics and Economics & Management.

What would you guys recommend? H&E? E&M? or PPE for me? All would be fine.

I'm also unsure of which college to apply for, but I have Balliol, Hertford and Brasenose in mind.

Thanks guys
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Hey all, I do Maths,Further Maths,Economics and Physics , Im expected all As/A*s.

Ive spent year 12 deciding what I really want to study, and I want to do PPE at Oxford, but I dont know if my subjects are suitable for the course, I know they dont have requirements , but would my application be weaker due to my subjects; Ive read the introduction to Philosophy and Politics books Oxford recommends, but will that be enough?

Also, regarding my PS, I plan to apply for Economics in other Unis, but PPE at Oxford, so how should I go about writing my PS? Because the Politics/Philosophy parts would be virtually useless for the Economics Unis, no?

Thanks
Your subjects will be no issue. Really as long as you have 3 'traditional/hard' subjects to A2 then they shouldn't hurt your chances. The one problem will be that they don't have an indication of your essay writing skills--but they will have the essay you do for the TSA to judge this by.

The personal statement on the other hand is a more difficult issue. You can do a personal statement which focuses almost entirely on two of the three subjects (a couple admissions tutors at open day both said that they anticipate a lot of students will be much more interested in two of them than all three), but you must have a good deal about either politics or philosophy in there, and preferably at least some reference to both.

I'd say it'll be fairly difficult to square that circle, but I'm sure it has been done. You'd probably need to think creatively and manage to talk about politics and philosophy in ways which relate strongly to economics.

I'd at least think about whether perhaps you might be interested in applying to dual courses elsewhere, like Economics and Politics. Alternatively, both Cambridge Econ and Oxford Economics and Management would work with a pure economics PS.
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Why do you want to do PPE at Oxford but not elsewhere? If it's for the prestige factor, why not do straight economics at Cambridge?
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Original post by H94
Hey all, I do Maths,Further Maths,Economics and Physics , Im expected all As/A*s.

Ive spent year 12 deciding what I really want to study, and I want to do PPE at Oxford, but I dont know if my subjects are suitable for the course, I know they dont have requirements , but would my application be weaker due to my subjects; Ive read the introduction to Philosophy and Politics books Oxford recommends, but will that be enough?

Also, regarding my PS, I plan to apply for Economics in other Unis, but PPE at Oxford, so how should I go about writing my PS? Because the Politics/Philosophy parts would be virtually useless for the Economics Unis, no?

Thanks


Why are you applying for PPE only at Oxford? Are you actually passionate about philosophy? Your subjects are fine, they want you to be good at maths and writing essays, you have the maths base covered but not the essay writing, see if you can show them you are good at essays in another way? The personal statement is hard to get around, you will probably end up reducing your chances for both courses unless you are very clever about it.
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Original post by cambio wechsel
Why do you want to do PPE at Oxford but not elsewhere? If it's for the prestige factor, why not do straight economics at Cambridge?


Straight Economics seems a little boring, Ill find out more about it next week at the openday, but Ive always enjoyed Philosophy and Politics in their societies at school, and just reading about issues related ot them, so I want to incorporate them with Economics for a somewhat joint degree.
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Original post by deejayy
Why are you applying for PPE only at Oxford? Are you actually passionate about philosophy? Your subjects are fine, they want you to be good at maths and writing essays, you have the maths base covered but not the essay writing, see if you can show them you are good at essays in another way? The personal statement is hard to get around, you will probably end up reducing your chances for both courses unless you are very clever about it.


Honestly speaking, I wouldnt say Im passionate about it, but I do really enjoy it, as well as the way of thinking involved with Philosophy.

As suggested earlier, I guess my essay writing skills can be shown in the TSA?

and yeah the personal statement is my main problem, but thanks for the advice everyone, appreciate it!
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Original post by H94
Honestly speaking, I wouldnt say Im passionate about it, but I do really enjoy it, as well as the way of thinking involved with Philosophy.

As suggested earlier, I guess my essay writing skills can be shown in the TSA?

and yeah the personal statement is my main problem, but thanks for the advice everyone, appreciate it!


For the personal statement try and talk about the philosophies of certain economic/ political policies, that way you talk about philosophy but other universities might not notice.

(That's assuming the other courses you apply for are politics/economics)
Original post by H94
Straight Economics seems a little boring, Ill find out more about it next week at the openday, but Ive always enjoyed Philosophy and Politics in their societies at school, and just reading about issues related ot them, so I want to incorporate them with Economics for a somewhat joint degree.


Yeah, this explains the choosing of Oxford PPE over Cambridge economics but doesn't really make it clear why you're not applying for PPE elsewhere.
I went to a study day this Monday for PPE and I was talking to one of the admissions correspondents, they said that the majority of successful applicants had a PS which revolved around Politics AND Economics, but they understood that PPE wasn't a widely offered subject so a line which can relate to philosophy and can be discussed at the interview is all they really expect. Only talking about economics, might be a bit of a stretch, although economics and politics often intertwine, especially around the macro area.

(Also, Balliol is one of the most oversubscribed colleges for PPE, so unless you're absolutely outstanding - above the other college standards - you won't get an interview with that college/be redistributed, or so I heard.)

Have you ever considered a combined degree in politics and economics, or economics at Oxbridge where you tailor your degree towards politics? (I'm not sure of philosophy modules)
I'm considering the latter, I realised that I can't stand philosophy, I like quantifying everything.
Hey guys I also wanted to interject here because as well as I want to study PPE at Oxford, I'm applying for LSE's Government and Economics, UCL's Philosophy and Economics and PPE at Bristol and Warwick. How do I go about writing my PS for these courses? Am I able to tailor them to fit the needs of each course I apply towards?
Original post by nerimon18
Hey guys I also wanted to interject here because as well as I want to study PPE at Oxford, I'm applying for LSE's Government and Economics, UCL's Philosophy and Economics and PPE at Bristol and Warwick. How do I go about writing my PS for these courses? Am I able to tailor them to fit the needs of each course I apply towards?


I wrote mine basically for PPE at Oxford. So about all 3 subjects - perhaps more emphasis on Econ/Pol than Phil. Plus some stuff linking it all together.

I applied for PPE at Oxford, Durham and Warwick, Economics and Politics at Bath, and Economics and Philosophy at St Andrews.

I got offers from all bar Warwick.

So I just sort of thought the unis are going to know I'm applying to Oxford for PPE - from the date of my application and PS. It was up to them as to whether they ignored the subject not relevant to them, or whether they rejected me because I wasn't committed to their course.

In the end the only rejection I had was for a PPE course, so make of that what you will!

Which are your priorities? For me it was Oxford, Durham and St Andrews. If I didn't get into any of them, I was probably going to take a gap year. Since 2 out of 3 were PPE courses, I focused on that and assumed St Andrews knew what I was up to!

Also, I didn't know Bristol offered PPE. Are you sure about that? I thought they did all combinations bar all 3.

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Original post by Poppyxx
I wrote mine basically for PPE at Oxford. So about all 3 subjects - perhaps more emphasis on Econ/Pol than Phil. Plus some stuff linking it all together.

I applied for PPE at Oxford, Durham and Warwick, Economics and Politics at Bath, and Economics and Philosophy at St Andrews.

I got offers from all bar Warwick.

So I just sort of thought the unis are going to know I'm applying to Oxford for PPE - from the date of my application and PS. It was up to them as to whether they ignored the subject not relevant to them, or whether they rejected me because I wasn't committed to their course.

In the end the only rejection I had was for a PPE course, so make of that what you will!

Which are your priorities? For me it was Oxford, Durham and St Andrews. If I didn't get into any of them, I was probably going to take a gap year. Since 2 out of 3 were PPE courses, I focused on that and assumed St Andrews knew what I was up to!

Also, I didn't know Bristol offered PPE. Are you sure about that? I thought they did all combinations bar all 3.

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Hey! :smile: Can I just ask what A level subjects you do and like academic curricular things like debating/sports/politics society etc.

Thanks!
Original post by Poppyxx
I wrote mine basically for PPE at Oxford. So about all 3 subjects - perhaps more emphasis on Econ/Pol than Phil. Plus some stuff linking it all together.

I applied for PPE at Oxford, Durham and Warwick, Economics and Politics at Bath, and Economics and Philosophy at St Andrews.

I got offers from all bar Warwick.

So I just sort of thought the unis are going to know I'm applying to Oxford for PPE - from the date of my application and PS. It was up to them as to whether they ignored the subject not relevant to them, or whether they rejected me because I wasn't committed to their course.

In the end the only rejection I had was for a PPE course, so make of that what you will!

Which are your priorities? For me it was Oxford, Durham and St Andrews. If I didn't get into any of them, I was probably going to take a gap year. Since 2 out of 3 were PPE courses, I focused on that and assumed St Andrews knew what I was up to!

Also, I didn't know Bristol offered PPE. Are you sure about that? I thought they did all combinations bar all 3.

x


Erm I heard they did but I could be wrong...

Do you think taking a gap year to work before applying would be ok?
Original post by Brand New Eyes
Hey! :smile: Can I just ask what A level subjects you do and like academic curricular things like debating/sports/politics society etc.

Thanks!


I did Economics, History, German and Maths.

I debated, did MUN, Politics discussion society, played first team netball and hockey, was a school prefect, chaired a charity fashion show committee, managing director of a Young Enterprise type group, social committee secretary, was a welfare team student supporter...

All that was condensed into about 3 lines on my personal statement


Original post by nerimon18
Erm I heard they did but I could be wrong...

Do you think taking a gap year to work before applying would be ok?


Nope definitely no PPE at Bristol - I just checked UCAS and their website for you.

Well out of the 7 PPEists at my college, 3 took a gap year. All did a mixture of work and travel. No idea how they wrote their PS or what they said about their gap year. Don't even know if it came up at interview. Oxford definitely don't look down on gap years, providing something productive is done in them. But then again I haven't met anyone at Oxford who didn't only work. I do remember one of my Econ tutors saying he'd rather meet someone who'd spent 9 months travelling than 9 months on a Deloitte/IBM sort of gap year scheme. But that could just be him.
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Original post by Poppyxx
I did Economics, History, German and Maths.

I debated, did MUN, Politics discussion society, played first team netball and hockey, was a school prefect, chaired a charity fashion show committee, managing director of a Young Enterprise type group, social committee secretary, was a welfare team student supporter...

All that was condensed into about 3 lines on my personal statement




Nope definitely no PPE at Bristol - I just checked UCAS and their website for you.

Well out of the 7 PPEists at my college, 3 took a gap year. All did a mixture of work and travel. No idea how they wrote their PS or what they said about their gap year. Don't even know if it came up at interview. Oxford definitely don't look down on gap years, providing something productive is done in them. But then again I haven't met anyone at Oxford who didn't only work. I do remember one of my Econ tutors saying he'd rather meet someone who'd spent 9 months travelling than 9 months on a Deloitte/IBM sort of gap year scheme. But that could just be him.


Can I ask what GCSEs you got? I have a mixture of A*s/As and some Bs but I'm worried that you might need all A*'s because its so competitive.
Original post by nerimon18
Can I ask what GCSEs you got? I have a mixture of A*s/As and some Bs but I'm worried that you might need all A*'s because its so competitive.


I got 10 A*s

But that is by no means a requirement.

I believe there is a sticky thread somewhere on this board about whether your grades are good enough for Oxford.
Original post by Poppyxx
I got 10 A*s

But that is by no means a requirement.

I believe there is a sticky thread somewhere on this board about whether your grades are good enough for Oxford.


Did the other PPEists at your college get something similar to that? I'm worried I dont stand a chance now. :frown:

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