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Thanks,

I will certainly take into account the advice you have given me although I can´t join the British Parliamentary Schools Debate competitions because I´m from Portugal.

I have 2 last question and I´ll stop pestering you:

1)I heard that the TSA is more of a "filtering process" because many candidates may have very inflated predicted grades and its not something extremely serious (assuming you haven´t got very inflated predicted grades). To what extent is this true?
+ what would be the best way of studying for it (apart from practicing the specimen papers available online)?

2) If i get an interview, how do I know what kind of interview I´ll get (politics/economics or philosphy)?

Good Luck!
(edited 11 years ago)
Original post by Questions questi
Thanks,

I will certainly take into account the advice you have given me although I can´t join the British Parliamentary Schools Debate competitions because I´m from Portugal.


BP is not purely hosted in Britain! British Parliamentary is just a particular format, which is actually used in many debate competitions worldwide. Even if you can't find something along those lines, a similar equivalent in Portugal would be invaluable.

I have 2 last question and I´ll stop pestering you:

1)I heard that the TSA is more of a "filtering process" because many candidates may have very inflated predicted grades and its not something extremely serious (assuming you haven´t got very inflated predicted grades). To what extent is this true?
+ what would be the best way of studying for it (apart from practicing the specimen papers available online)?


It varies by college. Some take it seriously, others do not. I definitely wouldn't take it lightly, regardless. A better score is a better score. The best practise you can get is really just doing the papers again and again and again. I did the papers weeks apart each time, so even though I was redoing papers, you'd never remember all the answers perfectly. Sort of worked to compensate the fact there aren't many practise papers.

There are a few books you can read that would help, and I think they're listed in the TSA website. The Butterworth book I thought was slightly helpful, the rest weren't much use. Really, it's something where you are better off practising than reading books on.

2) If i get an interview, how do I know what kind of interview I´ll get (politics/economics or philosphy)?


No, it varies by college and even within colleges.

Good Luck!


Thank you.
Original post by Questions questi
Hi,

I also want to study PPE at Oxford and I would like some opinions on whether I could have any chances of getting in.

IGCSEs: 5 A* s , 3As and 1 B

IB Prediction: 40 + points

Economics Higher Level : 7
Maths Standard Level: 6
History Higher Level: 7

Extra info in Personal Statement:

- Headboy / Chair of Student Council and organised Amnesty international Group and debating club.
- Vice- President of local Conservative Association (I think this is my biggest achievement).
- Not very sporty
- I perform active charity work locally + Nepal
- Not "public school boy" although I study in a private school.
- Passion for Politics + Economics (not so much for Phil.)
- Work with local MPs on a regular basis.
- Written articles for local newspaper, organised debates inside and outside school.
- MUN (once) + invited to go to GYLC /but unable to go.
- Books + interests eg. fervent interest for British politics, haven´t missed a session of PMQs since 2009 (not British).
- Not excessively academic, but academic.
- 1/2 Ecological projects
- Internship at KPMG
- Not musical in any way.

I don´t mean to sound cocky or anything, I´ve just listed what I consider are my achievments. I would be very grateful if I receive any advice or help.
Thankyou


If you plan on keeping Economics past the first year, I would suggest you work on the SL Math and get a 7 on it - it's not a deal breaker in terms of your application but you might struggle with the Maths at uni.
Reply 6703
Hey, just looking for some a level advice, on what is best for Oxford PPE (and guessing you guys know best) :smile:
I want to keep my options open for other stuff, in case I change my mind, but I am very interested in PPE (at other places too, obviously)

I definitely want to do Maths, History, and English Literature at A level, and I will probably do Further Maths as a 5th option. I am choosing between Spanish and Economics as the other option, any advice?

Is A level economics worth doing for Oxford PPE - is it useful to do, is it highy regarded in the applications process, etc?

Is further Maths (just to AS) worth doing for PPE (I wouldn't want to do a straight Economics degree)?

Thank you :smile:
Original post by 08jennia
Hey, just looking for some a level advice, on what is best for Oxford PPE (and guessing you guys know best) :smile:
I want to keep my options open for other stuff, in case I change my mind, but I am very interested in PPE (at other places too, obviously)

I definitely want to do Maths, History, and English Literature at A level, and I will probably do Further Maths as a 5th option. I am choosing between Spanish and Economics as the other option, any advice?

Is A level economics worth doing for Oxford PPE - is it useful to do, is it highy regarded in the applications process, etc?

Is further Maths (just to AS) worth doing for PPE (I wouldn't want to do a straight Economics degree)?

Thank you :smile:


Sounds a great mix there.

Economics - a lot of applicants will have done it, but it's definitely not a requirement. Economics in PPE is not really like A Level anyway - they teach from scratch. A Level Econ would give you an opportunity to get to know the basics of the subject, and whether or not you really enjoy it... But if you think you're suited to Econ anyway, I'd pick whatever A Level you think you'll enjoy most.

But having a language A Level is great - so choose what you'll love.

AS FM - not necessary for the level of Maths involved in PPE, so up to you. If you enjoy Maths and it won't be at a detriment to your other subjects, then take it if you want.

With Maths and History already decided, you can't really go wrong with whatever else you choose - all your options are strong, academic A Levels.
I would definately do Economics over Spanish. Economics will help you a lot, afterall its PPE. If you like Politics and Philossophy you must like Economics as all 3 subjects are pretty intertwined.
In case you change your mind and wish to study any other social science, economics will help you quite a lot.
Original post by Questions questi
I would definately do Economics over Spanish. Economics will help you a lot, afterall its PPE. If you like Politics and Philossophy you must like Economics as all 3 subjects are pretty intertwined.
In case you change your mind and wish to study any other social science, economics will help you quite a lot.


You do realise Poppyxx actually studies PPE, I think I'd trust her advice...
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Original post by Poppyxx
Sounds a great mix there.

Economics - a lot of applicants will have done it, but it's definitely not a requirement. Economics in PPE is not really like A Level anyway - they teach from scratch. A Level Econ would give you an opportunity to get to know the basics of the subject, and whether or not you really enjoy it... But if you think you're suited to Econ anyway, I'd pick whatever A Level you think you'll enjoy most.

But having a language A Level is great - so choose what you'll love.

AS FM - not necessary for the level of Maths involved in PPE, so up to you. If you enjoy Maths and it won't be at a detriment to your other subjects, then take it if you want.

With Maths and History already decided, you can't really go wrong with whatever else you choose - all your options are strong, academic A Levels.


Yeah, I'm finding it really difficult to choose, as I do love spanish (but don't ever want to do it at degree level), it is useful, and universities like languages, BUT economics is more relevant, and probably a better idea to see if i like the subject. But i don't want to give up Spanish yet :frown: so im just collecting opinions, so thank you :smile:
Yeah, I do enjoy Maths, and I am quite good at it, which is why I am considering it. Again, I've had mixed opinions about its usefulness for PPE

Thank you very much :smile:)


Original post by Questions questi
I would definately do Economics over Spanish. Economics will help you a lot, afterall its PPE. If you like Politics and Philossophy you must like Economics as all 3 subjects are pretty intertwined.
In case you change your mind and wish to study any other social science, economics will help you quite a lot.


No, i do like Economics, and would be happy to study it at A level, but I've had mixed opinions of its relvance to PPE, which is why i wanted to ask the experts :smile:
As someone considering applying for PPE at Oxford, I was wondering if a current or ex-student might please be able to answer a few questions for me.

Is the workload essentially essays, and then exams at the very end of the first and last year?

What are the weekly/annual essay workloads - frequency and word counts?

What proportion of the essays and exams purely concern discrete subjects, e.g. philosophy, politics, economics, and what proportion, if any, synthesise, i.e. bring together the three subjects? Does a bringing-together happen only later on, or does it begin early, if at all?

When you and other students have your weekly tutorials, are they focussed on the tutor's discrete discipline, or are they (see previous question) to an extent about all the disciplines together and the new thing they form in combination, if you like, and if so to what extent?

With my sincere thanks in advance for anyone's thoughts on it :smile:
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Original post by Jonathan75
As someone considering applying for PPE at Oxford, I was wondering if a current or ex-student might please be able to answer a few questions for me.

Is the workload essentially essays, and then exams at the very end of the first and last year?

What are the weekly/annual essay workloads - frequency and word counts?

What proportion of the essays and exams purely concern discrete subjects, e.g. philosophy, politics, economics, and what proportion, if any, synthesise, i.e. bring together the three subjects? Does a bringing-together happen only later on, or does it begin early, if at all?

When you and other students have your weekly tutorials, are they focussed on the tutor's discrete discipline, or are they (see previous question) to an extent about all the disciplines together and the new thing they form in combination, if you like, and if so to what extent?

With my sincere thanks in advance for anyone's thoughts on it :smile:


While I'm a to-be rather than a current student, you may want to ask in some of the college threads as well, as different colleges do different things.
I am recent grad.

Original post by Jonathan75
As someone considering applying for PPE at Oxford, I was wondering if a current or ex-student might please be able to answer a few questions for me.

Is the workload essentially essays, and then exams at the very end of the first and last year?


Essays for Phil and Pol. Question sheets for (most of) Econ. They have essays too depending on subject. And then exams in 1st and 3rd, although likely have collections (sort of mocks, but even less meaningful) at the beginning of each term within college to go over what your studied the term before.

What are the weekly/annual essay workloads - frequency and word counts?


Will depend. Generally in 2nd and 3rd year (concerning finals) it's a minimum of 6 essays per paper you study, and you study 2 papers a term. So for the most part it's 2 essays a week. Essays are generally 1500-2500 depending on tutors.

What proportion of the essays and exams purely concern discrete subjects, e.g. philosophy, politics, economics, and what proportion, if any, synthesise, i.e. bring together the three subjects? Does a bringing-together happen only later on, or does it begin early, if at all?


Pol, Phil and Econ are treated as separate subjects. There are obviously some papers that do contain a little cross over - Political Theory for example, but there are no general papers that take into account all three.

When you and other students have your weekly tutorials, are they focussed on the tutor's discrete discipline, or are they (see previous question) to an extent about all the disciplines together and the new thing they form in combination, if you like, and if so to what extent?

With my sincere thanks in advance for anyone's thoughts on it :smile:


No. The syllabus is set centrally and taught by college tutors, so you will cover the same framework as other students with different tutors. You do, obviously, get politics tutors teaching politics only etc etc.

The only variation may come within some larger papers. For example, most papers have about 16 weeks worth of work on the syllabus, of which you and your tutor collaborate to choose 6-8 'subtopics' that you work on. Tutors may make that decision for you if they have certain specialisms.

This is all very complicated questioning, don't think too much about it. It's all very simple, and by Oxford standards, I don't think we work that hard..
Original post by 08jennia
Yeah, I'm finding it really difficult to choose, as I do love spanish (but don't ever want to do it at degree level), it is useful, and universities like languages, BUT economics is more relevant, and probably a better idea to see if i like the subject. But i don't want to give up Spanish yet :frown: so im just collecting opinions, so thank you :smile:
Yeah, I do enjoy Maths, and I am quite good at it, which is why I am considering it. Again, I've had mixed opinions about its usefulness for PPE

Thank you very much :smile:)




No, i do like Economics, and would be happy to study it at A level, but I've had mixed opinions of its relvance to PPE, which is why i wanted to ask the experts :smile:



Economics at A level is a bit meh to be honest, it's an interesting subject, but it holds close to zero relevance to how Economics is taught at Oxford. If you want to do Spanish, do Spanish is my advice, Maths and FM will leave you in much better stead for Econ at Oxford that Economics A level will. I'd say just read about economics if you don't take it to A level, stuff like the Economist, good newspapers and maybe even a textbook or two to just flick through and get some basic ideas.
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Original post by SamF1992
Economics at A level is a bit meh to be honest, it's an interesting subject, but it holds close to zero relevance to how Economics is taught at Oxford. If you want to do Spanish, do Spanish is my advice, Maths and FM will leave you in much better stead for Econ at Oxford that Economics A level will. I'd say just read about economics if you don't take it to A level, stuff like the Economist, good newspapers and maybe even a textbook or two to just flick through and get some basic ideas.


Yeah, that's what I've been hearing, but I don't want to be in a worse position for application - does taking Economics A level have any effect on your chances of being accepted/ getting an interview? Thank you for the advice :smile:
Original post by 08jennia
Yeah, that's what I've been hearing, but I don't want to be in a worse position for application - does taking Economics A level have any effect on your chances of being accepted/ getting an interview? Thank you for the advice :smile:


Nope, I know quite a few people who never studied Economics before starting their degree.
Hey Everyone!
I have a very important question. Oxford has a list of 'recommended books' on their website for PPE. However, is it advisable to mention those books in the PS or should I develop a specific interest to read around and mention that in my PS? If you think the specific interest please give me some examples. I am very confused.
Original post by idreamofoxford
Hey Everyone!
I have a very important question. Oxford has a list of 'recommended books' on their website for PPE. However, is it advisable to mention those books in the PS or should I develop a specific interest to read around and mention that in my PS? If you think the specific interest please give me some examples. I am very confused.


Entirely up to you. I did the interest approach as I had done a lot of reading around the Irish war of independence so mentioned that.

There's no blueprint, and to be honest you shouldn't try to look for one. The tutors want to know about you and what you're interested in. They don't want another student who lists Blackburn's 'Think' along with everyone else, or at least not be able to talk about why that is genuinely interesting.
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Original post by SamF1992
Nope, I know quite a few people who never studied Economics before starting their degree.


Okay, thank you :smile: have many people not studied any of P, P, or E before?
Original post by 08jennia
Okay, thank you :smile: have many people not studied any of P, P, or E before?


Couldn't really say as I don't know everyone who does PPE, but I'd guess that there are a few, with most having studied 1 or 2 elements of it before applying, then a proportion who have studied none of them formally, then very few who have studied all 3 formally.
Reply 6718
Original post by SamF1992
Couldn't really say as I don't know everyone who does PPE, but I'd guess that there are a few, with most having studied 1 or 2 elements of it before applying, then a proportion who have studied none of them formally, then very few who have studied all 3 formally.


Thanks :smile: Just wondering, as on the websites it just says you don't need to have studied any of them before, but I wasn't sure how it actually works, and if people are at a disadvantage for not having studied any of them before.
Original post by 08jennia
Thanks :smile: Just wondering, as on the websites it just says you don't need to have studied any of them before, but I wasn't sure how it actually works, and if people are at a disadvantage for not having studied any of them before.


I only studied Pol before, and it was not really useful at all because the A Levels are so vague. I did Maths, Bio and Pol A Level and a Chem AS.

You won't be at a disadvantage in terms of getting in because a lot of places don't even offer Pol, Phil or Econ A Levels. Plus they aren't expecting you to know you want to do PPE when you are 15/16.

You also aren't at an advantage re: the work set (bar maybe the first week in econ?) because A Levels don't cover the information to the same depth. Lectures tend to cover the basics that you learn in A Level anyway.

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