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Original post by PureMathsigma
I wasn't hating I was just asking. There's nothing wrong with being rich. There's something wrong with being a bitch. Sadly, the two qualities are commonly found in the same people.


That's pure and unabashed prejudice, and unwarranted prejudice at that. It'd be akin to someone saying that the poor were of generally bad character.
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Original post by PureMathsigma
I wasn't hating I was just asking. There's nothing wrong with being rich. There's something wrong with being a bitch. Sadly, the two qualities are commonly found in the same people.



Akin to Dave, George, and good ol' Borris. Or just any run of the mill Public/Independent school boy.


There are plenty of people who have attended the great Public schools. What features do they need to have to classify as a 'toff'?
Original post by Bax-man
There are plenty of people who have attended the great Public schools. What features do they need to have to classify as a 'toff'?

The fact that they attended such institutions is reason alone to brand them as toffs.
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Original post by PureMathsigma
The fact that they attended such institutions is reason alone to brand them as toffs.


Okay.

Was there a point to your question, or were you just trying to find out how many Old Etonians study at Oxford?
Original post by Bax-man
Okay.

Was there a point to your question, or were you just trying to find out how many Old Etonians study at Oxford?

I was actually trying to find out how many toffs study there..
Original post by PureMathsigma
I was actually trying to find out how many toffs study there..


If by "toffs" you mean students from independent schools, in 2010-12 Oxford PPE had an average of 493 applicants per year from state schools of whom 99 were accepted, 390 applicants per year from independent schools of whom 87 were accepted, and 803 applicants per year from neither of the other two categories (this is basically foreign students and home-schooled children), of whom 63 were accepted. That means 87 of 249 successful candidates are from independent schools, or 34%. If you want to look at GB&NI candidates only, and we assume the amount of homeschooled students is effectively negligible, then 47% of successful candidates are from independent schools.

The main problem here is not that Oxford PPE is rejecting large numbers of state school applicants. Its acceptance rate for state school applicants (20.0%) is more or less equal to its acceptance rate for independent school applicants (22.2%). The problem is that not enough state school applicants are applying in the first place - possibly because they're being put off by the notion it's a toff's degree they won't get into. The best thing people can do to reduce the toff quotient is to encourage state school students to apply.
How difficult is the maths content?
Original post by Alex-Torres
How difficult is the maths content?


In first year economics there's lots of differentiation to C3/C4 level (and certain things not covered at A-Level) and lots of A-Level standard algebraic manipulation. However, I know people without A-Level maths who (with a lot of work) have been okay. Especially if you haven't done A-Level maths there should be lots of support available. How hard you find it really depends on your aptitude for maths. Then if you carry on with economics you can get on to more complex stuff.
Original post by dancinginrainbows
In first year economics there's lots of differentiation to C3/C4 level (and certain things not covered at A-Level) and lots of A-Level standard algebraic manipulation. However, I know people without A-Level maths who (with a lot of work) have been okay. Especially if you haven't done A-Level maths there should be lots of support available. How hard you find it really depends on your aptitude for maths. Then if you carry on with economics you can get on to more complex stuff.

Oh ok then, so I presume with the 2-1 and 1-1 tutorials you can ask the guy/girl all your maths problems?
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Original post by dancinginrainbows
In first year economics there's lots of differentiation to C3/C4 level (and certain things not covered at A-Level) and lots of A-Level standard algebraic manipulation. However, I know people without A-Level maths who (with a lot of work) have been okay. Especially if you haven't done A-Level maths there should be lots of support available. How hard you find it really depends on your aptitude for maths. Then if you carry on with economics you can get on to more complex stuff.


Hi, did you cover the ppe reading list before interview?
I wanted to read my own stuff tbh though I wouldn't be surprised if some is on the reading list.
Do they expect you to know a certain amount on philosophy/economics in general? You see I am studying sciences for a levels (with politics as a casual fifth), but doubt I'll have the time to cover all three subjects in that much depth (I am doing five a levels). I am, however, doing an EPQ of a a theme which should involve a number of texts and enable exploration of the three disciplines in relation to the essay question.
I am basically asking whether it would be sufficient to have specialized knowledge in a certain area, e.g social Darwinism/ Stoicism or something like that, but not have that wider grounding in all three subjects. I am also hoping the fact that I am doing maths and further maths will help towards the economics component more than my actual knowledge of economics (I do follow current affairs, read the economist etc but am by no means an expert).
Original post by Alex-Torres
Oh ok then, so I presume with the 2-1 and 1-1 tutorials you can ask the guy/girl all your maths problems?


Yep you can and some colleges run specific maths classes in first year.

There's also a lecture series for those who haven't done A Level Maths or want to brush up their skills.

As Maths isn't a requirement, they have to provide the teaching for what you need to do the course.

It's definitely unusual not to have at least AS Maths, but it won't prevent you from doing the course. Those who have done A Level just have an advantage, because they don't need to learn all the maths as well as the new course material.

Later on in the course, there's a Quantitative Economics paper which you have to take and any statistics done at A Level will give you a good grounding for it. Then there's a couple of papers such as Econometrics and a maths paper which you'd find tough without A Level/Further Maths.

The point is, as long as you're capable of doing A Level Maths to a high standard than you'll be fine i.e. you chose not to take it, rather than being told you'd struggle.
Original post by Poppyxx
Yep you can and some colleges run specific maths classes in first year.

There's also a lecture series for those who haven't done A Level Maths or want to brush up their skills.

As Maths isn't a requirement, they have to provide the teaching for what you need to do the course.

It's definitely unusual not to have at least AS Maths, but it won't prevent you from doing the course. Those who have done A Level just have an advantage, because they don't need to learn all the maths as well as the new course material.

Later on in the course, there's a Quantitative Economics paper which you have to take and any statistics done at A Level will give you a good grounding for it. Then there's a couple of papers such as Econometrics and a maths paper which you'd find tough without A Level/Further Maths.

The point is, as long as you're capable of doing A Level Maths to a high standard than you'll be fine i.e. you chose not to take it, rather than being told you'd struggle.

Ok thanks, I'm taking Maths A-level with Stats, so it's all good, I just like 1-1 teaching, not in a big class/lecture hall...
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I've been interested in doing PPE at a top university (and maybe possibly oxford) for a while now but have been hesitant because of relatively poor GCSE's and not ideal A Levels, if anyone could give me some advise it would be much appreciated.

I got 6 A's, 3 B's and a C at GCSE and am doing Maths, Physics and Philosophy at A2 and am predicted respectively A, A*, A*.

Thanks
Original post by Alex-Torres
Oh ok then, so I presume with the 2-1 and 1-1 tutorials you can ask the guy/girl all your maths problems?


I had three-to-one tutorials for Microeconomics last term (and classes with more people), but I can always ask any questions I need to. I've met people who didn't do A-Level maths and had two one-on-one tutorials a week throughout last term to fix that.

Original post by ethan94
I've been interested in doing PPE at a top university (and maybe possibly oxford) for a while now but have been hesitant because of relatively poor GCSE's and not ideal A Levels, if anyone could give me some advise it would be much appreciated.

I got 6 A's, 3 B's and a C at GCSE and am doing Maths, Physics and Philosophy at A2 and am predicted respectively A, A*, A*.

Thanks


Don't worry about the GCSE's. Most applicants will have better ones than you, but that doesn't rule you out. Apply :smile:

Original post by chaza01
Hi, did you cover the ppe reading list before interview?
I wanted to read my own stuff tbh though I wouldn't be surprised if some is on the reading list.
Do they expect you to know a certain amount on philosophy/economics in general? You see I am studying sciences for a levels (with politics as a casual fifth), but doubt I'll have the time to cover all three subjects in that much depth (I am doing five a levels). I am, however, doing an EPQ of a a theme which should involve a number of texts and enable exploration of the three disciplines in relation to the essay question.
I am basically asking whether it would be sufficient to have specialized knowledge in a certain area, e.g social Darwinism/ Stoicism or something like that, but not have that wider grounding in all three subjects. I am also hoping the fact that I am doing maths and further maths will help towards the economics component more than my actual knowledge of economics (I do follow current affairs, read the economist etc but am by no means an expert).


The kind of questions they ask at interview tend to be fairly general, to assess how you think rather than what you know. Having good knowledge of the subjects already will show passion, but other than I get the impression it's not what admissions people are looking for.
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has anyone received an offer? I'm waiting for Queens and havent received anything...
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Original post by dancinginrainbows
I had three-to-one tutorials for Microeconomics last term (and classes with more people), but I can always ask any questions I need to. I've met people who didn't do A-Level maths and had two one-on-one tutorials a week throughout last term to fix that.



Don't worry about the GCSE's. Most applicants will have better ones than you, but that doesn't rule you out. Apply :smile:



The kind of questions they ask at interview tend to be fairly general, to assess how you think rather than what you know. Having good knowledge of the subjects already will show passion, but other than I get the impression it's not what admissions people are looking for.


Hey thanks for the reply; I will read as widely as possible anyway - there are certain theories etc I am particularly drawn to and so I will put those in my PS so as to establish a point of discussion come interview (if I get that far), I also have some of my own ideas on nature of reality so will put them down too.
Thanks for the reply :biggrin:.
Oh, and how much emphasis do they put on a level subject choices? I am doing maths, further maths, physics, chemistry and politics (did AS level critical thinking year 10, but doubt they value it) so I'm slightly worried that they'll notice the lack of a strong, analysis based essay subject (e.g English/history). I can write essays and arguments (I enjoy debating etc) but think proving this may be an issue; consequently I am seriously thinking on doing an EPQ on a subject that draws all three of the degree's disciplines into it. Would this seem like a sensible idea?
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Original post by balbulmaya
has anyone received an offer? I'm waiting for Queens and havent received anything...


Offer from Univ for PPE!
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Original post by reena95
Offer from Univ for PPE!


Any tips?
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Original post by chaza01
Any tips?


Just don't be scared to say what you think in the interview, they don't mind you getting things wrong as long as they see that you're talking outside the box.
Hi, if all goes well, I am looking to apply for Oxford for PPE. But it recently dawned on my the question of - how does any applicant applying to Oxford for PPE take note of other courses whilst not giving too much away in terms of applying to Oxford? For instance, if someone was also to apply for International Relations, how would an applicant mention in their personal statement their desire to study PPE without giving away the fact that its Oxford etc.

Many Thanks.

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