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Original post by Ja-m-ie
1) F Maths will prepare you for the economics aspect of the course and it will make your application look much stronger. You will discover Economics A Level isn't useful when you start your first year but excellent maths skills with make microeconomics a complete walk in the park.

So, Maths, F. Maths and History is what I'd advise. You'll show strong analytical abilities and written communication skills. Oh, you'll also have the ability to put forth a clear and cohesive argument.

2) The purpose of extra-curriculars is to demonstrate you can handle the intense workload Oxford expects of its students and to show that you are engaged with the subject you want to read beyond your school curriculum.

The things you want to do are those that develop the skills they look for in candidates and show your enthusiasm for the subject. I ran in my schools mock election in 2010 and won along side doing my 4 A Levels. The fact I could juggle the workload was helpful, but it also demonstrated that I was engaged with politics and I explained how I used the electoral rules to inform my strategy, which I later discovered is extremely relevant when you come to do PPE.

From this you should understand that it isn't what you do, but what you get from the experience. If someone expresses great insights from a field trip to the petting zoo, it would be more impressive than someone simply saying 'I observed the UNSC, it was cool'.

If I had to solidly recommend one thing to do, then debating is excellent because it really sharpens your ability to form arguments. Unfortunately, my school didn't have a debating society, but I wish it did :smile:


Thanks so much for your response :smile:
I've mentioned this in a reply to someone else, but do you think that i will appear disinterested in economics if i drop it after AS rather than continuing it to A2? At my school i have the option to do politics, philosophy and economics at AS and A2 so it's a big worry for me that I will get asked why I didn't chose to do them all if i am "so passionate" about them. The reason is they are perhaps seen as less academic and I want to keep a science going to shown I can do sciences as well.

Debating sound like a good idea and I will make sure to get some research into where i could get involved. Are there any other activities you can think of that would demonstrate my ability to handle a heavy workload and develop a good skill set?

Thanks again, you've been really helpful. I hadn't thought about the whole further maths thing like that before :smile:

Looking forward to hearing from you.
Original post by coxy87
Thanks so much for your response :smile:
I've mentioned this in a reply to someone else, but do you think that i will appear disinterested in economics if i drop it after AS rather than continuing it to A2? At my school i have the option to do politics, philosophy and economics at AS and A2 so it's a big worry for me that I will get asked why I didn't chose to do them all if i am "so passionate" about them. The reason is they are perhaps seen as less academic and I want to keep a science going to shown I can do sciences as well.

Debating sound like a good idea and I will make sure to get some research into where i could get involved. Are there any other activities you can think of that would demonstrate my ability to handle a heavy workload and develop a good skill set?

Thanks again, you've been really helpful. I hadn't thought about the whole further maths thing like that before :smile:

Looking forward to hearing from you.


No, it won't look like you are disinterested. If anything, they may be glad that you look courses that are better at developing the skill set required to be a good PPE student.

Also, I can't recommend specific things. You just need to do what you are interested in and believe will develop your ability to think and interpret the world. Debating is good because it develops many skills: communication, considering different arguments, process large amounts of information, thinking fast, etc.

I didn't really do anything extra aside from reading books and being head boy, but I showed a sufficient amount of critical thought around those things.

If I had to recommend anything, it would be to learn programming. First because I think everyone should study some programming. Second because it teaches you how to solve problems efficiently.
Original post by coxy87
Thanks so much for your response :smile:
I've mentioned this in a reply to someone else, but do you think that i will appear disinterested in economics if i drop it after AS rather than continuing it to A2? At my school i have the option to do politics, philosophy and economics at AS and A2 so it's a big worry for me that I will get asked why I didn't chose to do them all if i am "so passionate" about them. The reason is they are perhaps seen as less academic and I want to keep a science going to shown I can do sciences as well.

Debating sound like a good idea and I will make sure to get some research into where i could get involved. Are there any other activities you can think of that would demonstrate my ability to handle a heavy workload and develop a good skill set?

Thanks again, you've been really helpful. I hadn't thought about the whole further maths thing like that before :smile:

Looking forward to hearing from you.


To OP: I'm about to go into my first year of PPE at Oxford and although my school offered all three at A level I only did Economics (I did Economics, Maths and History with English lit at AS). I wouldn't worry about not doing any PPE subjects even if they're offered, I know people who got in without any. While I agree with the above advice I'd say that doing further maths as a third a level may cause you problems at Oxford and especially at other unis where further maths may not be seen as a 'full' a level. If you can do four I'd recommend doing one of economics or physics, and if you can only do three I wouldn't recommend doing further maths. Your subject choice won't matter as long as you have maths or history, but you don't want to risk not getting offers from unis who don't look favourably at further maths.

For instance, from the Durham PPE entry reqs: 'Candidates who study Further Maths are expected to offer a minimum of four subjects (to include Maths) at A2 level.'
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Reply 7443
Original post by Ja-m-ie
No, it won't look like you are disinterested. If anything, they may be glad that you look courses that are better at developing the skill set required to be a good PPE student.

Also, I can't recommend specific things. You just need to do what you are interested in and believe will develop your ability to think and interpret the world. Debating is good because it develops many skills: communication, considering different arguments, process large amounts of information, thinking fast, etc.

I didn't really do anything extra aside from reading books and being head boy, but I showed a sufficient amount of critical thought around those things.

If I had to recommend anything, it would be to learn programming. First because I think everyone should study some programming. Second because it teaches you how to solve problems efficiently.


I've had a look at my school's website and it says I can do 4 subjects for A2: Maths; History; Further maths; and economics, so i think i'm going to go ahead and do that.

How would you go about learning to program?
Reply 7444
Original post by magicmuggle
To OP: I'm about to go into my first year of PPE at Oxford and although my school offered all three at A level I only did Economics (I did Economics, Maths and History with English lit at AS). I wouldn't worry about not doing any PPE subjects even if they're offered, I know people who got in without any. While I agree with the above advice I'd say that doing further maths as a third a level may cause you problems at Oxford and especially at other unis where further maths may not be seen as a 'full' a level. If you can do four I'd recommend doing one of economics or physics, and if you can only do three I wouldn't recommend doing further maths. Your subject choice won't matter as long as you have maths or history, but you don't want to risk not getting offers from unis who don't look favourably at further maths.

For instance, from the Durham PPE entry reqs: 'Candidates who study Further Maths are expected to offer a minimum of four subjects (to include Maths) at A2 level.'


Thanks so much for your response I had no idea about the further maths issue. I've looked at my school website and i can do 4 A2s: Maths; f.maths;economics; and history. As you've done maths/economics/history at A2 how did you find the combination of those three? Was the workload manageable?

So are you about to start your PPE course? Are you excited for freshers?
Original post by cuna
Hi guys, a little worried about the TSA... I cant seem to get above the low 60s in the TSA section 1...I havent really had any history with anything like it and have tried a few practices but cant really seem to get the hang of it and am just a bit worried about it :frown:

I feel like the rest of my applications is pretty strong
11A*s GCSE (state school)
4 As AS Average 95 UMS
3 A* Predictions (History, Maths, Eng lit.) and A prediction in Extended Project
extra curricular stuff like captaining football teams, grade 6 piano, chairing debating etc etc

I'd just be really gutted if it was the TSA that brought my whole application down

Basically, how important is the TSA in the application process and even if I got a fairly low score, should I be able to pull myself up with the rest of the application?
Also, if anyone was in a similar position to me and managed to improve their score or just found any resources/books etc helpful, I would very much appreciate any advice on the tsa :smile:

Thanks guys, sorry for the lengthy post and good luck with all your applications as well!


As far as I know its important that you achieve at least 60% to show that you are good student (unless you get more than 80%- in that case it might be a good advantage). Generally I think that interview might be more important.
Original post by coxy87
Thanks so much for your response I had no idea about the further maths issue. I've looked at my school website and i can do 4 A2s: Maths; f.maths;economics; and history. As you've done maths/economics/history at A2 how did you find the combination of those three? Was the workload manageable?

So are you about to start your PPE course? Are you excited for freshers?


No problem :biggrin:. Oxford don't actually say anything about further maths for PPE but you need to bear in mind other universities as well! I started doing 4 A2s but I dropped down to 3 as I realised it wasn't necessary. I found the workload more than manageable, I had quite a lot of free time. The combination was great, each was quite different so I didn't find myself getting sick of just writing essays or just doing maths. I like broadness (hence the degree) so it worked for me!
Original post by coxy87


Debating sound like a good idea and I will make sure to get some research into where i could get involved. Are there any other activities you can think of that would demonstrate my ability to handle a heavy workload and develop a good skill set?

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Model United Nations (MUN), which you mentioned in your first post, will give you the same skills as debating - I.e. Being able to formulate arguments and defend your view etc
Original post by coxy87
Thanks so much for your response, It's really useful to hear your opinion :smile:
Do you not think that i might seem a bit disinterested in economics if i drop it after AS?
Where do you think I should start in terms of reading material? There is so much out there I don't know where to begin!
Looking forward to seeing what you have to say.


I enjoyed reading a lot of Orwell, Nietzsche, Sartre, Dostoevsky, Machiavelli, Franz Kafka etc. For starters, I'd recommend Animal farm by Orwell. A nice, simple story book based on a political motive. And as for economists, read and make yourself familiar with the works of Hayek and Keynes.
Hey,
I really can't decide between Brasenose, New College and Magdalen College.
I am applying for PPE, but I really have to push my application with the TSA results as my past grades are not high-end. Can you please give me
any information, which colleges put more weight on the TSA than others in their shortlisting process? Or which colleges in general look more for future potential than on already achieved grades?
Thanks guys
quote: lon-flo

The selectors are both college Tutors and Faculty lecturers - they look at the applications received by or allocated to their college
and the final decision are then taken at a Faculty meeting or reported to the Faculty coordinator who applies a common standard.
in terms of getting an interview, the weight put on the TSA will be the same at all of the colleges. You can't game the system - but
are free to choose a college on the basis of whether you think you'd like living and working there.
Original post by lon-flo
Hey,
I really can't decide between Brasenose, New College and Magdalen College.
I am applying for PPE, but I really have to push my application with the TSA results as my past grades are not high-end. Can you please give me
any information, which colleges put more weight on the TSA than others in their shortlisting process? Or which colleges in general look more for future potential than on already achieved grades?
Thanks guys


The selectors are both college Tutors and Faculty lecturers - they look at the applications received by or allocated to their college
and the final decision are then taken at a Faculty meeting or reported to the Faculty coordinator who applies a common standard.
in terms of getting an interview, the weight put on the TSA will be the same at all of the colleges. You can't game the system - but
are free to choose a college on the basis of whether you think you'd like living and working there.
Original post by coxy87
I've had a look at my school's website and it says I can do 4 subjects for A2: Maths; History; Further maths; and economics, so i think i'm going to go ahead and do that.

How would you go about learning to program?


I'm starting with CS50 by Harvard which is a free online course.

I would check out the lectures and get a free what it is to think like a programmer. Then it just comes down to you getting stuck into a language.

You need to just start and I'm using CS50 as my introduction because it has great resources, a great community and great lecturers. It may have the wrong language focus for what I ultimately do, but I'll still be better off than I was before and I will have a better idea of what to focus on next.
Original post by lon-flo
Hey,
I really can't decide between Brasenose, New College and Magdalen College.
I am applying for PPE, but I really have to push my application with the TSA results as my past grades are not high-end. Can you please give me
any information, which colleges put more weight on the TSA than others in their shortlisting process? Or which colleges in general look more for future potential than on already achieved grades?
Thanks guys


I'm in a similar situation regarding TSA cos of slightly lower grades and none of the colleges weight anything differently as its mostly set by faculty. I'm applying for Brasenose btw
Given that Section 2 of the TSA is sent to the colleges rather than looked at centrally, does it have any impact on whose invited for interview?
I study economics and a bit of philosophy (mostly logic and epistemology) at school, but I don't do politics and I dropped history (when I was younger and made unwise decisions), so what are some books/areas of politics I could start reading up on? Any philosophy recommendations would be great too!
TSA scores can't be boosted much after 1-2 practice attempts and you can over-do preparation by getting anxious.
Low 60s is actually a good score on the aptitude test. My advice is to de-stress, have a good night's sleep & a hearty
breakfast on the day of the test, and give it your best shot.
Original post by cuna
Hi guys, a little worried about the TSA... I cant seem to get above the low 60s in the TSA section 1...I havent really had any history with anything like it and have tried a few practices but cant really seem to get the hang of it and am just a bit worried about it :frown:

I feel like the rest of my applications is pretty strong
11A*s GCSE (state school)
4 As AS Average 95 UMS
3 A* Predictions (History, Maths, Eng lit.) and A prediction in Extended Project
extra curricular stuff like captaining football teams, grade 6 piano, chairing debating etc etc

I'd just be really gutted if it was the TSA that brought my whole application down

Basically, how important is the TSA in the application process and even if I got a fairly low score, should I be able to pull myself up with the rest of the application?
Also, if anyone was in a similar position to me and managed to improve their score or just found any resources/books etc helpful, I would very much appreciate any advice on the tsa :smile:

Thanks guys, sorry for the lengthy post and good luck with all your applications as well!




TSA scores can't be boosted much after 1-2 practice attempts and you can over-do preparation by getting anxious.
Low 60s is actually a good score on the aptitude test. My advice is to de-stress, have a good night's sleep & a hearty
breakfast on the day of the test, and give it your best shot.
Hi,

what do you guys think; is mentioning Matt Piketty and his recent book's claim about wealth growing faster than economic output? Could it be a bit of a long shot, making me look like I'm basically just mentioning things off the pages of the Economist? And do professors consider him more of a sensationalist than a respectable researcher?

Thanks for answer
Original post by Unilad321
Hi,

what do you guys think; is mentioning Matt Piketty and his recent book's claim about wealth growing faster than economic output? Could it be a bit of a long shot, making me look like I'm basically just mentioning things off the pages of the Economist? And do professors consider him more of a sensationalist than a respectable researcher?

Thanks for answer


First off, the author's first name definitely isn't Matt, it's Thomas (since I assume you're talking about the book 'Capital'). But other than that, I see no problem with mentioning that book on your PS. You aren't expected to have studied any of the subjects in huge academic detail, so mentioning 'popular' books on your statement is 100% fine. He is a researcher as well, even though his work might be written in a more sensationalist style than other academics' stuff. Also, it's something that's been talked about lot recently so it show's you're paying attention to the world around you which can be a plus. All you need to make sure you do if you write about it is to write and think about it critically.
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