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Oxford PPE (Philosophy, Politics and Economics) Students and Applicants

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Reply 1541
Hello all,

Firstly sorry if I'm flogging a dead horse so to speak, or I should've posted somewhere else but I saw this as the most appropriate place

So basically I've recently (the past 2 months) started looking at Uni courses and quickly come to the conclusion that PPE is something I would love to do, as a result I attended a tasted course with Debate chamber and quite frankly fell in love with the subject.

That, combined with the tradition of Oxford (I love the tradition and architecture) has meant that I've become semi-obsessive about applying for PPE and am studying towards it like there's no tomorrow and actually feeling motivated as a result.

So I'm thinking of applying this year at the start of Year 13 and am anxious about my chances already


My GCSE results were

A*- History
A - Business Studies
A - English Lit
A - Englist Lang
A - French
A - Spanish
A - Mathematics
A - Statistics
A - Chemistry
A - Physics
B - Biology
B - Graphic Design

And the A-levels I am studying are

History
Politics
Economics
Business Studies
Citizenship AS Complementary Studies

And so far in my modules I have

Politics: 91/100 - A
Economics: 81/90 - A
Business: 69/90 - B

And in coursework:

History: 87% - A

Overall I'm predicted for As, and will hopefully be the same for A2, and am fairly sure the grades can be reached providing I work towards them (which I will)

As for extra curriculum, I'm fairly active in that respect as well taking part in:

-Duke of Edinburgh Gold
-Young Enterprise
-Fencing Club Captain (taking a mjaor part in increasing the skill of our team and organising matches)
-Debating Society (should be competing soon)
-House captain of 2 activities
-Prefecting
-Out of school sports including fencing
-Taking a fencing coaching course


Anyhow, as you can see I do quite a lot, and achieve acceptable grades, I also take a great intrest in politics and economics, reading several magazines, the papers, and discussing them at length whereever possible

As such I do have a great intrest in the subject, and my limited experience of philosiphy has made me appreciate that I would enjoy it as well


However I'm stressing for a number of reasons - which someone can hopefully help me with


Firstly: Are those grades honestly competitive enough

Secondly:Will my lack of maths really affect my chances? Should I try and take AS level maths next year at the expense of Business and Citizenship? Or is it only a small disadvantage if I'm interested? (The reason I didn't take Maths was I hated maths for maths sake, however with reason I could manage it)

Third: I'm doing some major reading in all 3 areas at the minute, will this affect my chances at all? Or just further show that I have an intrest in the topic

Fourth: Is there any college that has an affinity for Fencers?

That's about it for now, sorry I've rambled a lot and stuff, I'm just worrying a lot atm :frown:

Any help would be appreciated

-Guy
Reply 1542
GuyM
Anyhow, as you can see I do quite a lot, and achieve acceptable grades, I also take a great intrest in politics and economics, reading several magazines, the papers, and discussing them at length whereever possible

As such I do have a great intrest in the subject, and my limited experience of philosiphy has made me appreciate that I would enjoy it as well


However I'm stressing for a number of reasons - which someone can hopefully help me with


Firstly: Are those grades honestly competitive enough

Secondly:Will my lack of maths really affect my chances? Should I try and take AS level maths next year at the expense of Business and Citizenship? Or is it only a small disadvantage if I'm interested?

Third: I'm doing some major reading in all 3 areas at the minute, will this affect my chances at all? Or just further show that I have an intrest in the topic

Fourth: Is there any college that has an affinity for Fencers?

That's about it for now, sorry I've rambled a lot and stuff, I'm just worrying a lot atm :frown:

Any help would be appreciated

-Guy


1. Your GCSE grades are probably slightly weaker than the average PPE candidate's, but definitely not weak enough to destroy your chances. It's very important that you do very well in AS, though - all A's at AS would definitely help in offsetting this.

2. Yes. Economics at degree level becomes far more mathematical than you've experienced at AS, and your A grade at GCSE would be a worry. I would definitely recommend taking AS level maths next year at the expense of Business and Citizenship, which to be honest will not help a PPE application much at all.

3. In terms of affecting your chances, it's probably quite essential to read relatively widely as lots of people will be reeling off the titles of books they've read in their personal statements - so don't give it up! However, what is most important is not the sheer volume of books you've read, but whether you can form intelligent opinions about them. That's far more important. Of course, even if this weren't true, reading around helps in general because, as you said, it develops your interest which in itself is a chance booster. Though bear in mind that they are definitely not looking for someone who can reel off relevant points and arguments from a range of economists/politicians/philosophers; at interview, and on your personal statement etc., they'll be looking for someone who can think critically and deeply above all. It helps to be informed, of course, but as I mentioned above, it's far more important thinking deeply about the things you do read.

4. Sorry, no idea about this one!
I did the PPE Test sample today (timed and all) and got 15 wrong!

Have I got a chance of making it this autumn?
ScholarsInk
I did the PPE Test sample today (timed and all) and got 15 wrong!

Have I got a chance of making it this autumn?


You seriously need to chill. The test is only one part of the application process and at this point you should probably more concerned about getting good AS grades. Anyway 35/50 is good so you have no need to worry.
i'd say econ.
i'd be (personally) more sure of getting 4 As with econ than four As with futher maths.
Reply 1546
Either one I think, but yeah the one you think you can get A's in - economics A-level is pretty easy though
Reply 1547
Hingie
1. Your GCSE grades are probably slightly weaker than the average PPE candidate's, but definitely not weak enough to destroy your chances. It's very important that you do very well in AS, though - all A's at AS would definitely help in offsetting this.

2. Yes. Economics at degree level becomes far more mathematical than you've experienced at AS, and your A grade at GCSE would be a worry. I would definitely recommend taking AS level maths next year at the expense of Business and Citizenship, which to be honest will not help a PPE application much at all.

3. In terms of affecting your chances, it's probably quite essential to read relatively widely as lots of people will be reeling off the titles of books they've read in their personal statements - so don't give it up! However, what is most important is not the sheer volume of books you've read, but whether you can form intelligent opinions about them. That's far more important. Of course, even if this weren't true, reading around helps in general because, as you said, it develops your interest which in itself is a chance booster. Though bear in mind that they are definitely not looking for someone who can reel off relevant points and arguments from a range of economists/politicians/philosophers; at interview, and on your personal statement etc., they'll be looking for someone who can think critically and deeply above all. It helps to be informed, of course, but as I mentioned above, it's far more important thinking deeply about the things you do read.

4. Sorry, no idea about this one!



I've started the motions of taking AS maths next year in order to help at the expense of Business which I was planning to drop anyway

I'll keep citizenship on the grounds it is an hour a week and I get an AS for it so I might as well


As for the GCSEs, how much bearing do they have? I was poorly motivated and disliked most of my subjects which explains the lack of excellence in them, but predictably I'm still quite vexed


And if indeed all of that is ok, then should I for now really just concentrate on my AS's?

Also the other two questions I had were:

I just tried the aptitude test and on the multiple choice got 33/50, is 35 honestly good? Or should I keep practicing a lot?


And how much bearing do extra curriculum activities have? Or are they just a clincher


Once again sorry for the disjointed message, I'm tired and haven't had a proper break all day


Thanks in advance

-Guy
I got all A stars at GCSE and all As in my AS modules, with Grade 8 flute, lead roles in school plays, prefecting, D of E, and high level tennis on my UCAS form. I'm doing Further Maths as well and I still got rejected by both Pembroke and Regents Park, which I think shows that the most important thing is a real passion for the subject, which it looks like you have got, and I don't think I did. I found in my Interview that they were really digging around for my areas of interest, and I came up a bit short in the end. I think that your results (and the PPE test) are really important to get you to Interview, and you must get all As this summer, but once you are there they I think they count for a lot less and it comes down to genuine interest. So I'd say keep reading, nail down your specific areas of interest and apply to as uncompetitive a college as you can find (if such a thing exists). I applied an in the middle one and a PPH, thinking that if I wasn't quite good enough the Pool thing could work, although my bitter scepticism now tells me otherwise! From my college out of 26 applicants just one got an interview somewhere else.
Hope that all helps, but then what do I know, I didn't make it :-(
Reply 1549
i am interested in PPE but am having difficulty deciding on relevant work experience due to the fact that unlike medicine etc. PPE does not lead into an obvious career path. i have completed a week with a barrister which i suppose has some relevance but was wondering if anyone has other suggestions? i was thinking perhaps corporate banking to cover the economics side of things and maybe a few days with a local politician would be useful but i am interested to hear from anyone else.
Reply 1550
tb1990
i am interested in PPE but am having difficulty deciding on relevant work experience due to the fact that unlike medicine etc. PPE does not lead into an obvious career path. i have completed a week with a barrister which i suppose has some relevance but was wondering if anyone has other suggestions? i was thinking perhaps corporate banking to cover the economics side of things and maybe a few days with a local politician would be useful but i am interested to hear from anyone else.

Work experience will matter very very little.
A politician would probably be your best bet, but really I doubt they will care
Reply 1551
yeah, it really doesn't matter
Work experience, sports, music and other extra curricular things matter very little. Many people come on here citing all the activities that they do like captain of such and such team and grade 214789 in violin but that doesn't show the admissions tutor much apart from the fact you have hobbies outside academia. What really matters is your interest in the subject and how you show it i.e. by reading etc.
Hi,

I'm from Germany, in 12th grade and am thinking (wait for it) about applying for PPE.
While I've lived in Germany all my life I'm actually a British Citizen, so I suppose I don't really count as an International Student, or do I.
Currently my grades are:
Advanced:
History 14
Politics 13
English 13
Basic:
German 14
Biology 13

Non Exam-Classes:
Ethics 12
Math 13
Music 12
Latin 11

15-13 in Germany is an A (13 being A-, but it still requires around 88%) , 12 a B+, 11 a B

Are these subjects and their grades good enough for Oxford? Also, only the first 5 subjects have an exam at the end of the year, so the grades for the remaining ones are determined through continual assessment.
Would a bad mark in a subject like Latin or Music really matter if the grades of the subjects relevant to PPE are really good?

Also, I spent the 11th year as an exchange student in China, ie. I didn't skip the year but went straight on to the 12th grade. Does that affect my chances positively?

Apart from that I take a great interest in PPE, read the Economist and lots of books on the subjects, take part in seminars and stuff on politics etc.
My college asked for 1.3, without any further specifications. Your grades are definitely the equivalent of AAA. However most Germans I've met here got 1.0... Compared to other Germans who will apply, who'll probably have mostly 15, your grades won't look that great. But seeing that they only want AAA from English people, it shouldn't be that big of a disadvantage. I don't know how they calculate it in your Land, but do you think you can get 1.3 (or a 1.3 prediction)?
JohannaMarie
My college asked for 1.3, without any further specifications. Your grades are definitely the equivalent of AAA. However most Germans I've met here got 1.0... Compared to other Germans who will apply, who'll probably have mostly 15, your grades won't look that great. But seeing that they only want AAA from English people, it shouldn't be that big of a disadvantage. I don't know how they calculate it in your Land, but do you think you can get 1.3 (or a 1.3 prediction)?


What really matters is how you'll do on your final exam ... grades aren't that important.
I got rejected because my personal work was "too french" ... so they don't really care about grades, what they want is a great personal statement, interesting school work (that would fit english requirements well ...), and a good score on the TSA test...

I mean they don't even ask you for your grades during the year ...
GuyM


Also the other two questions I had were:

I just tried the aptitude test and on the multiple choice got 33/50, is 35 honestly good? Or should I keep practicing a lot?

Thanks in advance

-Guy


The average of all applying candidates for PPE last year was around 31-32/50. The average applicant gets rejected, so there's certainly room for improvement, but it's not outright bad.
I'd be pretty interested in doing social sciences,like PPE/Economics and Politics/History and Politics at university, but I'm not that sure, being in Year 11 and all...

Anyway, I've got to make my A-Level choices. I'm set on Maths, History, Politics as three of them. I'd probably do A-Level Maths in one year, thereby completing 4 A2-Levels.

For my fourth, which would be better out of Physics and French? There is nothing between them as far as enjoyment is concerned. I'll probably get A* in Physics and A in French at GCSE. I don't know which to choose and won't do five, so would either be particularly more useful for PPE, or similar subjects?
Reply 1558

The average of all applying candidates for PPE last year was around 31-32/50. The average applicant gets rejected, so there's certainly room for improvement, but it's not outright bad.


how did you find that out?
Overground
I'd be pretty interested in doing social sciences,like PPE/Economics and Politics/History and Politics at university, but I'm not that sure, being in Year 11 and all...

Anyway, I've got to make my A-Level choices. I'm set on Maths, History, Politics as three of them. I'd probably do A-Level Maths in one year, thereby completing 4 A2-Levels.

For my fourth, which would be better out of Physics and French? There is nothing between them as far as enjoyment is concerned. I'll probably get A* in Physics and A in French at GCSE. I don't know which to choose and won't do five, so would either be particularly more useful for PPE, or similar subjects?


Since you can do international relations with PPE I'd say that the more languages you speak the better. So speaking french is definitly a good thing. And taking a-level physics doesn't really have anything to do with PPE. The only thing that physics could show, is that you're good as maths, but since you seem to be if you want to complete A-level Maths in one year, then i think doing french is probably better...

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