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Reply 1800
Yeah an Economics and a Philosophy one

They were both really approachable, its made me feel less apprehensive about the interview if I manage to get one....

Back to work I guess now :P

-Guy
Reply 1801
Just wondering on the TSA...there's probably been a discussion about this but are the questions weighted equally?
jgupta
Just wondering on the TSA...there's probably been a discussion about this but are the questions weighted equally?


Based on the packet I received explaining scoring and where I fell, it seems so. However, each question placed in one of two categories, Critical Thinking and Mathematical Reasoning. These scores are both calculated separately. Also, you have an essay portion if you're taking it for PPE, which is scored separately.
Reply 1803
ah okay cheers
Mike_P
Government.

What about you, thinking of applying to LSE?


Not this year lol :p:

but i think I will be applying for Government&Economics :biggrin:
Reply 1805
tucker672
Not this year lol :p:

but i think I will be applying for Government&Economics :biggrin:


Sweet, ok!
I can agree that the course sounds very interesting, assuming that's your opinion.
Mike_P
Sweet, ok!
I can agree that the course sounds very interesting, assuming that's your opinion.


Yes well it is basically PPE without Philosophy; but meh I can live without Philosophy and I think a joint honours will be better :wink:

And it is both sides of running the country too, The politics and the economics, but it does miss out the judiciary. But no worries cause after my degree I want to do a Graduate Diploma in Law. So I will know everything:cool: not realy :p:

Grant :biggrin:
Reply 1807
I went to both Jesus and St John's. Met two tutors, both philosophy ones at both colleges; very nice men. Absolutely adored St John's.
Reply 1808
Okay think I can clear this up now: The TSA is *not* weighted.

Evidence: Go to the site where the TSA is, print off the test, answer the questions. Mark it using the "answer key" given. Find your score out of 50, and then the percentage score.

Now do the electronic test (same questions), putting in your answers from the previous test. Click 'complete test': your result will be the same as the one you worked out from the answer key i.e. a simple, non-weighted test.

Hope that helps ppl
Reply 1809
jgupta
Okay think I can clear this up now: The TSA is *not* weighted.

Evidence: Go to the site where the TSA is, print off the test, answer the questions. Mark it using the "answer key" given. Find your score out of 50, and then the percentage score.

Now do the electronic test (same questions), putting in your answers from the previous test. Click 'complete test': your result will be the same as the one you worked out from the answer key i.e. a simple, non-weighted test.

Hope that helps ppl


Sorry, that is incorrect. The TSA is definitely weighted. The score you get on the TSA practice is not comparable to the one you'll get on the certificate or the one Oxford can see. If you want, I'll scan and upload the graph we were given for the distribution of results, but it shows the only possible results as being 102.8, 91.8. 84.5, 80.1, 76.9, 74.3, 72.1 (my score), 70.2, 68.5 etc. etc. etc.

On a fifty question test, it would not be possible to get decimal places in the percentage score, or it would mean I got 36.05 questions right.

The only thing I don't understand is how the top score was over 100 :p:


EDIT: Just to add to that, the explanatory notes we were given state:

Explanation of PPE Scores

Results for Section 1 of the PPE Admissions Test are reported on a scale that runs from 0 to 99, to one decimal place. Scores are reported separately for Problem Solving and Critical Thinking components, together with an overall score. Each score is calculated separately, taking into account the difficulty of the questions. This allows scores on different versions of the test to be directly compared. Extreme scores are comparatively rare. The scale has been designed so that typical applicants to the most highly selective undergraduate university courses in the UK (who are by definition academically very able) will score around 60. The best applicants will score more highly, but 70 represents a comparatively high score and only a few very exceptional applicants will achieve scores higher than 80.
(second emboldening mine)
Reply 1810
Oh right okay...lol
GuyM
Yeah an Economics and a Philosophy one

They were both really approachable, its made me feel less apprehensive about the interview if I manage to get one....

Back to work I guess now :P

-Guy


ah...ha! I thought you'd be on this PPE guide. Where did you go after the Lincoln PPE chat? I beleive you were off with those girls to stumble onto another college? I was gutted that we (as in our school group) only got to see Lincoln. I mean, it was great, but I had nothing to compare it to.

Oh, and you said you were doing the AEA...what is your school doing in terms of any extra teaching/working on it? My econ teacher is brilliant, but he's going at the end of the year...
Hi, I'm a Chilean IB student, just graduated from school last December, and want to apply to Oxford's PPE course this year.

Do you know of any preliminary reading that you would recommend me?

Also, how can I practice for the TSA? I've checked out the official web page and the verbal Critical Thinking questions I find pretty easy but I can't figure out a lot of the math Problem Solving ones. Do you know where can I find advice, exercises, or even more practice tests?

Thank you!
Reply 1813
Budgie
Sorry, that is incorrect. The TSA is definitely weighted. The score you get on the TSA practice is not comparable to the one you'll get on the certificate or the one Oxford can see. If you want, I'll scan and upload the graph we were given for the distribution of results, but it shows the only possible results as being 102.8, 91.8. 84.5, 80.1, 76.9, 74.3, 72.1 (my score), 70.2, 68.5 etc. etc. etc.

On a fifty question test, it would not be possible to get decimal places in the percentage score, or it would mean I got 36.05 questions right.

The only thing I don't understand is how the top score was over 100 :p:


EDIT: Just to add to that, the explanatory notes we were given state:

(second emboldening mine)


So your score was 70.2...have you done the TSA practice test and if so what score did you get on that?
Reply 1814
jgupta
So your score was 70.2...have you done the TSA practice test and if so what score did you get on that?


My score was 72.1. On the 50 question practice I got a raw score of 88%. Interestingly, I think it may have been 88% on the actual paper as well, because as you can see I got the 7th highest possibly score according to the graph we were given, which could indicate I got 6 questions wrong just like on my practice.

So I suppose that gives a rough guide, although the equations will obviously change with each test.
Another question: are there minimum math entrance requirements? I got a 6 at math SL, but I emailed Durham and they told me they required HL math for PPE. Is this so with Oxford?
Just like to say thanks to all you guys who helped me with my previous problem. I have visited the FE college and it is perfect for me, but they basically told me 5 is too much and Oxford would rather 4 well than 5 average so this ahs thrown up a new problem. And Oxford told me they can't answer my question as it is too personal all they recomend is maths and history. So here it goes :

I have to choose four subjects but I have 5 in mind, so what would be best to study PPE preferably at Oxford? :smile:

The subjects to choose from are:

*History (I love it and am predicted an A* at GCSE)

*Maths (Dont' enjoy it, struggle a bit and predicted an A at Gcse - but after my exam I think I have a B)

*Government & Politics (I love this subject and I have a good Knowledge base)

* Philosophy (Really interesting course and the course seems good with a student guide which is specifically made for the sylabus)

* Economics (I like the subject and the course seems very similar to the GCSE I have just done - I am predicted an A)

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Please help?

You are the best at advice :rolleyes:

Grant :biggrin:
Personally I would do Maths, History and then look at the syllabi for the other 3 and pick the 2 which I thought that I would enjoy most and that I would probably do better at. Seems that would be Politics and Economics from your comments.

In terms of the maths situation, maybe you could drop it after AS if you feel that you aren't getting anywhere with it? From reading comments on here it seems that doing even just the AS can be extremely beneficial and for that reason I would take it. A-Level is totally different to GCSE anyway in my opinion, so you may even like it. :O
Hey people I'm doing (AS levels) next year, Maths, F Maths, History, English lit and German and I was wondering whether these would be a good grounding for PPE. Economics was offered but I felt the department was a bit naff - is not taking it a problem? With relevant work experience, interest,good gcses ect would these reasonable options.
Reply 1819
Mittalmar
Hey people I'm doing (AS levels) next year, Maths, F Maths, History, English lit and German and I was wondering whether these would be a good grounding for PPE. Economics was offered but I felt the department was a bit naff - is not taking it a problem? With relevant work experience, interest,good gcses ect would these reasonable options.


No, not at all. The only subjects listed by Oxford as "useful backgrounds" for PPE are Maths and History, and you have both. Not taking economics is not a problem at all; I've even heard it said by one tutor that he sometimes preferred people not to have economics because it meant they were 'fresh'.

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