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I'm thinking of applying for this course and I'm interested if anyone knows anything about it... Whether it's a mickey mouse degree etc or whether it attracts primarily people who are doing post-graduate degrees etc. I will go to the open day in September also ...

I have some ties in Israel and I'm interested in the middle east conflict and I think studying the russian revolution and other events where Jews have been prevalent would be fascinating. I was drawn to this course because I'm on track to study English but I don't think I would be able to hit the 3 A mark plus pass the interview. So my thinking is an alternative degree with the benefits of a top uni would be a good choice. I'm also thinking of studying Arabic aswell, or instead of Hebrew to add more beef to the 3 years of education in London. And of course the year abroad in Israel would be fantastic.
Slightly better than Astronomy.
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So it's a mickey mouse degree?
I would take Russian or East Asian studies over Jewish studies.

If you have no solid plan to work for a Jewish organization or Israel, then it's a really stupid idea.
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I honestly don't get why anybody would do this degree. a study about jews, created by jews for other jews...... er, sorry, but the scholarship is hardly unbiased.

go study history instead.
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I honestly don't get why anybody would do this degree. a study about jews, created by jews for other jews...... er, sorry, but the scholarship is hardly unbiased.

go study history instead.
I'm sure it would be objective.

Maybe, the Palestinians will be painted as sub-human vermin, but what are you gonna do.
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a better, more reputable and useful qualification....
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I don't see how it's different from "French Studies" or any area or language studies in that you study the language[strike], history, literature, culture etc of the Jewish people, just as you'd study the language, history, literature etc of the French or French speakers if you did French or the Russians if you did Russian. And then of course there's Islamic Studies; clearly the central object of that qualification will be painting Palestinians as saintly martyrs, because after all what else are Islam and Judaism about if not the Arab-Israeli conflict?

With that in mind I would imagine it's as good a degree for any general graduate job not directly related to your area of study as any other language/area study degree.

But ohnoes! It's about DA J00Z. Whatever, if you think learning Hebrew counts as "mickey mouse" then more power to you.
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I don't see how it's different from "French Studies" or any area or language studies in that you study the language[strike], history, literature, culture etc of the Jewish people, just as you'd study the language, history, literature etc of the French or French speakers if you did French or the Russians if you did Russian. And then of course there's Islamic Studies; clearly the central object of that qualification will be painting Palestinians as saintly martyrs, because after all what else are Islam and Judaism about if not the Arab-Israeli conflict?

With that in mind I would imagine it's as good a degree for any general graduate job not directly related to your area of study as any other language/area study degree.

But ohnoes! It's about DA J00Z. Whatever, if you think learning Hebrew counts as "mickey mouse" then more power to you.
Latin > Hebrew
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Hi there. I am doing Jewish Studies and Hebrew at UCL from September.
Ignore the stuff some of these idiots are telling you. The only thing you have to think about to do with employers is if they are anti-semetic, they won't want to employ you with this degree, becaues they're anti-semetic. But you wouldn't want to work for anti-semites anyway, so who cares?
It is not a micky mouse degree. It's a specialised area that is far rarer to study than French or Italian - which is great because you have skills that almost nobody else would have. You study literature, media, history, culture... It is just the same as a French degree, but in Hebrew.
Well, I tell a lie. You will be studying Jewish Studies just as much as Hebrew. In your first year, 3 out of your 5 units that you will study are history/culture units. The other two are Modern Hebrew and Biblical Hebrew.
If you have any questions at all, I can help. I know I'm not there yet but I know a lot about it - I have to when anyone you ask says the kind of ******** others on this site are raving on about with no knowledge of it whatsoever.
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Hi there. I am doing Jewish Studies and Hebrew at UCL from September.
Ignore the stuff some of these idiots are telling you. The only thing you have to think about to do with employers is if they are anti-semetic, they won't want to employ you with this degree, becaues they're anti-semetic. But you wouldn't want to work for anti-semites anyway, so who cares?
It is not a micky mouse degree. It's a specialised area that is far rarer to study than French or Italian - which is great because you have skills that almost nobody else would have. You study literature, media, history, culture... It is just the same as a French degree, but in Hebrew.
Well, I tell a lie. You will be studying Jewish Studies just as much as Hebrew. In your first year, 3 out of your 5 units that you will study are history/culture units. The other two are Modern Hebrew and Biblical Hebrew.
If you have any questions at all, I can help. I know I'm not there yet but I know a lot about it - I have to when anyone you ask says the kind of ******** others on this site are raving on about with no knowledge of it whatsoever.
You are a smart one, aren't you?:eek:
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Latin > Hebrew
Try using your brain to think rather than your bowels, it's much more efficient.
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Try using your brain to think rather than your bowels, it's much more efficient.
My bowels? Are you a chav?
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My bowels? Are you a chav?
I don't think chavs generally refer to them as bowels.
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I don't see how it's different from "French Studies" or any area or language studies in that you study the language[strike], history, literature, culture etc of the Jewish people, just as you'd study the language, history, literature etc of the French or French speakers if you did French or the Russians if you did Russian. And then of course there's Islamic Studies; clearly the central object of that qualification will be painting Palestinians as saintly martyrs, because after all what else are Islam and Judaism about if not the Arab-Israeli conflict?

With that in mind I would imagine it's as good a degree for any general graduate job not directly related to your area of study as any other language/area study degree.

But ohnoes! It's about DA J00Z. Whatever, if you think learning Hebrew counts as "mickey mouse" then more power to you.
French and Russian is taught by and studied by people often not of those nationalities. Jewish studies at undergraduate level in UCL is ONLY studied by Jews... and usually those with a strong connection to Israel...

I can understand why someone would do this as a masters, but as your first degree? Why not learn about the entire world, not just the world through the Jewish spectrum....

gah
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French and Russian is taught by and studied by people often not of those nationalities. Jewish studies at undergraduate level in UCL is ONLY studied by Jews... and usually those with a strong connection to Israel...

I can understand why someone would do this as a masters, but as your first degree? Why not learn about the entire world, not just the world through the Jewish spectrum....

gah
I was going to apply for Jewish Studies for ages... and I'm not a Jew.

Jesus Christ, who even cares who studies it? All that tells me is that mostly Jews care enough about it to want to study it. As for "learning about the entire world" - no bloody degree that exists teaches you that, and particularly no area studies or language degree, the whole point of which is to teach you about a particular section of the world.

That doesn't, either, tell me that a) the scholarship is "biased" - the scholarship about what? How come this whole question of "bias" only comes up when the subject is Jews? I mean where is the bias? Can you give me an example? b) that the content is any easier than any other area studies degree (as I said, learning Hebrew is hardly a walk in the bleeding park is it)
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French and Russian is taught by and studied by people often not of those nationalities. Jewish studies at undergraduate level in UCL is ONLY studied by Jews... and usually those with a strong connection to Israel...

I can understand why someone would do this as a masters, but as your first degree? Why not learn about the entire world, not just the world through the Jewish spectrum....

gah
Actually about 40% of the department at UCL is non jewish. Most of those are Christian or athiests. In Oxford, around 60% of the staff on hebrew/jewish studies are not jewish.
Those studying the subject (and Jewish history, its coutnerpart) are usually 50/50 jewish/non jewish, and those that are jewish are around 50/50 religious/secular.

You're not learning about the whole world through a jewish spectrum... That's a ridiculous thing to say! Why learn about science through a biochemistry spectrum? It's the same type of thing to say! You study everything through a specialisation, hwo else would you fit it in? Do you see a subject called "everything ever studies"? Besides, you're not looking at it from a jewish perspective, you're looking at things in jewish history through an academic perspective. Because you're STUDYING it.
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OK, I take it back, not ALL but a majority of the people who study JS at UCL tend to fit the profile of being Jewish and cliquey, pro-Israel, UCL J-Soc members.... who have gone to Israel twice a year, every year since their birth, and, hey, you know what, thought they'd do Jewish studies, because, amongst all the intellectual interest, it also pleases granddad...
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OK, I take it back, not ALL but a majority of the people who study JS at UCL tend to fit the profile of being Jewish and cliquey, pro-Israel, UCL J-Soc members.... who have gone to Israel twice a year, every year since their birth, and, hey, you know what, thought they'd do Jewish studies, because, amongst all the intellectual interest, it also pleases granddad...
utter ********.
jews are not cliquey by default, we're not pro israel by default, jsoc is for everyone and there's nothing wrong with it. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH JSOC? what's wrong with holidaying in israel? people who do french may have been to france twice a year since they were born! or never been at all! i've only been to israel twice in my life. and following your logic, grandad would be more pleased with law or medicine than hebrew.
you're being extremely racist to think that all jews fit into that catagory.
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I never said these were default cultural characteristics, but specific student profiles or clichés. There's nothing wrong with any of those things, but one risks resembling the profile if all the boxes can be ticked together. And I am Jewish.
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I never said these were default cultural characteristics, but specific student profiles or clichés. There's nothing wrong with any of those things, but one risks resembling the profile if all the boxes can be ticked together. And I am Jewish.
Who gives a **** about stereotypes? You evidently do. You sound ashamed to be Jewish. You're bringing up being Jewish as if it defends how you're labelling otehr people. Jews can be bigots too, obviously. It doesn't defend self-hatred.
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