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    (Original post by pkonline)
    Education isn't free. We all pay for it through taxation. The problem with post 16 education is that not everyone will use it, particularly higher education. Everyone is happy to fund the NHS cos we all need it and use it. But not everyone will go to uni. Most tax payers will not be prepared (no matter what they say) to pay for someone else's education who will then benefit by earning more.
    But...

    whilst the current working generation had their education paid for them through taxes paid by the working generation in their day, we will be working to support them in their old age whilst having paying for our own education. doesnt see fair in a society where we're all supposed to support each other through taxation.
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    (Original post by pkonline)
    Education isn't free. We all pay for it through taxation. The problem with post 16 education is that not everyone will use it, particularly higher education. Everyone is happy to fund the NHS cos we all need it and use it. But not everyone will go to uni. Most tax payers will not be prepared (no matter what they say) to pay for someone else's education who will then benefit by earning more.

    Seems reasonable to have a system where:

    No up-front fees
    Same fee for all courses and universities
    Only payback after you earn above a level, and at a rate corresponding to your earnings (someone just above the line should pay less than someone earning double)
    Funding for poorer students e.g. bursaries, allowances
    Money goes direct to the university
    What about people who go private on healthcare, or just aren't ill?
    They don't use the NHS.
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    (Original post by Iluvatar)
    What about people who go private on healthcare, or just aren't ill?
    They don't use the NHS.
    few people never need the nhs- come on even the queens latest grandchild was born in an nhs hospital-and the royal family are private healthcare patients.

    if you were in a car accident- your first treatment would be on the nhs. private or not, ill or not.

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    (Original post by Iluvatar)
    But beside all that, education should be free, as it is a basic human right.
    Really? A basic human right? I've never heard anyone say that before. Education to what level? In which subjects, of what quality? IMO
    the quality of education varies far too much in different institutions to make education per se a basic human right. The definition of education changes depending on where you are being educated.

    What really gets me is how student unions and other such predominantly fashionably-left-wing groups' main policies are 'No Fees!' full stop. The fact is that universities need the fees to provide the level of education we've come to expect. A totally inflexible 'No Fees' stance will not achieve anything; some kind of supplementary funding is necessary, whether we like it or not. The thing we should be advocating rather than a blanket 'No Fees' stance is finding the fairest method of supplementary funding, because it is obvious universities can't go on as they are now.

    I'm sure we all accept that we will (probably) earn more over our working life than non-graduates and that we should therefore put some of this back into higher education. Tuition fees are however not in my view the solution. For example, students from poorer backgrounds would probably not need to worry about the proposed top-up fees as they would probably all (or mostly) be waived by some kind of bursary, this to me is not fair. If we should pay more because of future earnings, how on Earth do parents' incomes come into it? Is it fair that a person from a poor background who goes on to be a high-flying barrister earning £100k+ a year should contribute very little (or nothing) to their education, whereas the underpaid graduate nurse from a rich background has to pay all of their fees? Clearly there is a logical inconsistency here. If higher education top-up fees are to be justified on the grounds of higher future earnings, surely it should be future earnings alone which determine how much people contribute back!? The best way to provide such a fairer system is via graduate tax. Assuming that the government's income figures are correct, then a tax of 4% would raise the required fees in the first twenty years after graduation. I think the illogical obsession for the tuition fees method of doing things stems directly from the short-term mentality of those in charge. They understandably don't want to have to wait years to get this extra money even if it is the fairest option. It's a shame then that the prospect of phasing in such a tax was not considered earlier, but as usual those in charge and their short-term mentalities have left it till it's too late to act both effectively and fairly.

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