Why is manchester university not top 10 for any course in league tables?

Hi

I dont mind, but I was looking through the league tables for my course and its about 15, i then got curious and looked at all the other subjects.

Its not top 10 for anything

law, english, history, economics, french

why is this, its such a reputable university but doesnt shine in anything according to the times and other league tables

*awaits, league tables are subjective and crap rant*

Reply 1

Oogamy

13

Alan Turing hasn't been there for over sixty years.

Reply 2

DarkWhite

17

priceless_beauty

*awaits, league tables are subjective and crap rant*

You've just answered your own question.

Look at what the tables' scores are based on: staff:student ratio, money, student satisfaction and completion %.

They hardly determine the quality of content in a university's degree.

Reply 3

oo_Lucinda_oo

11

Clearly they are scoring low in a particular criteria that the newspaper has deemed important.

You don't actually need to ask anyone on here, just see what they are scoring low in - whether it is teaching or student satisfaction etc - and you'll have your answer? :confused:

And yes, they are a load of crap.

Reply 4

squeak

21

priceless_beauty

Hi

I dont mind, but I was looking through the league tables for my course and its about 15, i then got curious and looked at all the other subjects.

Its not top 10 for anything

law, english, history, economics, french

why is this, its such a reputable university but doesnt shine in anything according to the times and other league tables

*awaits, league tables are subjective and crap rant*

What do you expect? What exactly were the league tables measuring? Student satisfaction, teaching expertise, student results?

And why have you got such an issue with it not being in a league table?

Reply 5

Danny the Geezer

21

DarkWhite

You've just answered your own question.

Look at what the tables' scores are based on: staff:student ratio, money, student satisfaction and completion %.

They hardly determine the quality of content in a university's degree.

This^

Reply 6

conormacklin

Number 4 for chemical engineering

Reply 7

Est.1989

14

taking wt people have said about league tables...manchester doesn't do that well on student ratio and satisfaction

Reply 8

Gazumped

I don't think I'd have listed Manchester in what I perceive to be the Top 10; it's good, but I'd still rank quite a few others (Bath, Bristol, etc) higher than it.

Reply 9

Charzhino

19

Look at the RAE results instead

Reply 10

Dom1989

1

Look at the World League table instead!

Reply 11

Simplicity

17

Manchester attracts people that aren't satisfied with stuff. Other unis don't have that problem.

League tables fail big time. For example, in Guardian league tables Chester is third for Maths/thread end

Reply 12

faber niger

17

Does something need to be better than other good things to be good itself? :curious:

Plus, league tables are subjective.

Reply 13

Spacecam

15

Probably because student satisfaction is really really really low - 32 out of 34 Universities that sent round a standardised questionnaire as part of a nation-wide study last year.

...and I'm stuck there :bebored:

Reply 14

sil3nt_cha0s

16

I thought Manchester was good for Medicine...

Reply 15

priceless_beauty

OP

9

Spacecam

Probably because student satisfaction is really really really low - 32 out of 34 Universities that sent round a standardised questionnaire as part of a nation-wide study last year.

...and I'm stuck there :bebored:

I really dont understand it though, because everyone i talk to about manchester university say they absolutely love it there, and its the most applied to university, and has the best student life, arguebly, so i just don't get it, the only downside seems to be the teaching quality of some of the larger courses, surely this one factor cant be bringing student satisfaction down that greatly, can it?

Reply 16

JW92

18

The Guardian league table is much more simple and to the point than the Times.

It's 15th for entry tarriff (which sounds about right to me) and this indicates prestige more than anything else.

9th for expenditure.

So far, so good.

30th for spend per student...

35th for career prospects... (below Trent, apparently!)

74th for value added, but I don't think this means much. How can Oxbridge add value?

Even worse, it's 59th for "satisfied with teaching" and ONLY 110th for "satisfied with feedback".

Okay, I've just completely lost faith in league tables.

Reply 17

PoisonDonna

14

Seriously, league tables suck. They show half of some weird picture. Everyone I speak to at Manchester loves it. I think it scores lower on satisfaction surveys, because it is a HUGE university, and not everyone is going to get all the one-on-one time they want. BUT the help is there if you want it and go ask for it.

Still, it's high in the world and the country, it's not like it's last or anything.

Reply 18

LouisianaPuuurchase

1

Est.1989

taking wt people have said about league tables...manchester doesn't do that well on student ratio and satisfaction

This is because it's a huuuuge university. Students who want to be spoon fed will be disappointed because it's easy to get lost in the system and they may not feel like they get enough one-on-one time with their tutors. This happens at all big universities. The trick is to be self-sufficient - take advantage of the universities resources but don't expect to have everything done for you. I know it's a bit crap because we have to pay so much to go to university, but that's just the way it is. Another way around it would be to choose a course that isn't massively over-subscribed like History and English...if you choose something more specialised and specific you're likely to get more enthusiastic tutors and more help.

Reply 19

priceless_beauty

OP

9

LouisianaPuuurchase

This is because it's a huuuuge university. Students who want to be spoon fed will be disappointed because it's easy to get lost in the system and they may not feel like they get enough one-on-one time with their tutors. This happens at all big universities. The trick is to be self-sufficient - take advantage of the universities resources but don't expect to have everything done for you. I know it's a bit crap because we have to pay so much to go to university, but that's just the way it is. Another way around it would be to choose a course that isn't massively over-subscribed like History and English...if you choose something more specialised and specific you're likely to get more enthusiastic tutors and more help.

Other good big universities come to mind are nottingham and birmingham university, nottingham having only a couple of thousand less full time students than manchester, so would those universities largely have the same attitude, where you wont get one to one contact and you will feel more annonymous or will this be a "uni thing" in which case everyone will be getting a large shock as in high school and college the teachers always new your name and your traits ect. Im not expecting the lecturer to ever know me by name, *sigh*, ill guess ill find out what its like when i get there

I just wanted to know whether this hands off approach is a feature of all large unis such as nottingham/leeds/birmingham or more closely associated with manchester university in particular..

Why is manchester university not top 10 for any course in league tables?

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