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    (Original post by LouisianaPuuurchase)
    Another way around it would be to choose a course that isn't massively over-subscribed like History and English...if you choose something more specialised and specific you're likely to get more enthusiastic tutors and more help.
    I wouldn't say that English is oversubscribed, I have 70 in my year and the tutors on the course are very generous with their time, even if the professors are somewhat stand-offish.
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    (Original post by priceless_beauty)
    I really dont understand it though, because everyone i talk to about manchester university say they absolutely love it there, and its the most applied to university, and has the best student life, arguebly, so i just don't get it, the only downside seems to be the teaching quality of some of the larger courses, surely this one factor cant be bringing student satisfaction down that greatly, can it?
    I think it could, I've read many threads here and some users have said that the tutors and some lectures can be hit and miss. I was looking at unistat.com and some of the subjects had consideringly lower percentages for people satisfied with feedback and guidance etc.
    The league table do under-rate Manchester though - when people like my uncles/older cousins ask which uni I'm going they all say oh Manchester is a good uni. The employment percentages in the league tables seem really low aswell but I think thats to do with a lot of local people graduating there or people enjoying Manchester as a city decide to living in North West which isnt as prosperus as the London borough.
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    I agree with the general opinion that national newspaper league tables are not that useful. Many of the measures like the satisfaction survey, the destination of leavers and the spend per student are open to manipulation and errors. I would say Manchester is particularly bad at manipulating the figures. Certainly Manchester is in the top 10 (but not the top 4) for mathematics in most measures that matter and in the subjective opinion of mathematicians. The Guardian's assessment of our maths graduates job prospects as being second to last certainly wrong. Even in a recession we had employers queuing up at our "Calculating Careers" event. In another subjects I know a bit about top two in material science. I would think Music in the top 5.
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    (Original post by OhNO!)
    I wouldn't say that English is oversubscribed, I have 70 in my year and the tutors on the course are very generous with their time, even if the professors are somewhat stand-offish.
    I suppose oversubscribed is more to do with what offers are made and if they go in to clearing. The happy state you describe in English sounds more like they set a realistic target for undergrads relative to the number of teaching staff.

    Sorry to hear the professors are stand-offish to students. As a maths prof I have met people from all round the university but no-one from English (except Terry Eagleton when he was here). I think in most departments the profs range from really friendly and approachable to undergrads to quite remote.
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    (Original post by OhNO!)
    I wouldn't say that English is oversubscribed, I have 70 in my year and the tutors on the course are very generous with their time, even if the professors are somewhat stand-offish.
    That's good then. When I was at Man Met doing English and History combined I couldn't imagine a more disinterested set of staff or equally disinterested group of students! Drop-out central that course was...

    Glad you're having a good experience at Manchester though.
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    (Original post by priceless_beauty)
    Other good big universities come to mind are nottingham and birmingham university, nottingham having only a couple of thousand less full time students than manchester, so would those universities largely have the same attitude, where you wont get one to one contact and you will feel more annonymous or will this be a "uni thing" in which case everyone will be getting a large shock as in high school and college the teachers always new your name and your traits ect. Im not expecting the lecturer to ever know me by name, *sigh*, ill guess ill find out what its like when i get there

    I just wanted to know whether this hands off approach is a feature of all large unis such as nottingham/leeds/birmingham or more closely associated with manchester university in particular..
    Pretty much yeah. Well, it's not like college, that's for sure. And it's even less like 6th Form College.

    Make the most of it, have fun but don't let yourself get behind because it's soooo hard to catch up on any course.
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    Job prospects... it's more about the individual than the university to be honest. A good institution and a respectable subject will look good, but it's more about how the other pieces of the puzzle fit in together. Basically if you've demonstrated leadership (socities?) got work experience, things like this you will go a lot further jobs wise.
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    (Original post by Ramryan)
    Job prospects... it's more about the individual than the university to be honest. A good institution and a respectable subject will look good, but it's more about how the other pieces of the puzzle fit in together. Basically if you've demonstrated leadership (socities?) got work experience, things like this you will go a lot further jobs wise.
    i think uni is important too, i remember reading some article that was saying that some employers were only targeting certain unis and ignoring others :/
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    That does happen sometimes, but it's their loss. For example I have my uni, which is a start, but I'm more proud of other things on my CV, I spent 6 months volunteering in a hospital abroad, I'm going on foreign exchange, I've helped manage a student foreign ambassador programme at my uni, going to do the Manchester Leadership Programme, I regularly give talks at Schools and UCAS fairs to encourage people to volunteer abroad and I've just had some of my ideas for the bar I work at incentivised.

    All of these things will speak volumes more than the institution I attend on it's own. If you stacked an application up with things like that on, next to someone who just had their Uni's name.... Which one would you go for?

    Insitutional bias does exist, and it can affect your future job prospects. I think for vocational courses this is more the case. But the onus is much more on you as an individual to build your own profile, and your institutions name is just one part of this. In my humble opinion
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    Ermmm it is for some. Biological sciences is 8th and is really creeping up the tables lately, not that I keep track or anything :p:
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    (Original post by priceless_beauty)
    Hi

    I dont mind, but I was looking through the league tables for my course and its about 15, i then got curious and looked at all the other subjects.

    Its not top 10 for anything

    law, english, history, economics, french

    why is this, its such a reputable university but doesnt shine in anything according to the times and other league tables


    *awaits, league tables are subjective and crap rant*
    It's not top 10 for anything because the methodology the league tables use don't put it as top 10 for anything.
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    it is in the top ten for some things, those subjects probably differ depending on the league table.

    if you consider the RAE a league table (which it is, a table..of sorts) then we're bladdy stormin'
 
 
 
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