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    I'm gonna pick up 'Watergate - The corruption of American politics and the fall of Richard Nixon' by Fred Emery from the library next time I'm there.

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    (Original post by pinkpenguin)
    I'm gonna pick up 'Watergate - The corruption of American politics and the fall of Richard Nixon' by Fred Emery from the library next time I'm there.

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    What is it with your obsession with American Presidents? :p:
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    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    What is it with your obsession with American Presidents? :p:
    ...It's the fault of the West Wing :ninjagirl:

    I have no obsession! I'm just reading around stuff that is inherently more interesting than it's British counterpart. British politics is dull at best at the moment. I really have no desire to read about any of it.

    Unless you can suggest something to persuade me otherwise?? :awesome:
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    (Original post by pinkpenguin)
    ...It's the fault of the West Wing :ninjagirl:

    I have no obsession! I'm just reading around stuff that is inherently more interesting than it's British counterpart. British politics is dull at best at the moment. I really have no desire to read about any of it.

    Unless you can suggest something to persuade me otherwise?? :awesome:
    Nah, British politics is duller than US politics, shame I had to study the former for 2 years when most people doing Politics A level did the US politics option.

    I'm just more interested in ideologies than I am in political systems, though obviously the two interact, with the latter being the historical expression of competing versions of the former.
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    Milton Friedman - freedom and capitalism.
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    Parecon: Life After Capitalism, an alternative to both capitalism and state socialism :awesome:

    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    I'm just more interested in ideologies than I am in political systems, though obviously the two interact, with the latter being the historical expression of competing versions of the former.
    I agree, and thankfully our school did political ideologies for A2.
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    (Original post by Gremlins)
    I agree, and thankfully our school did political ideologies for A2.
    Our school doesn't even do Politics A level.

    I signed up for a distance course and taught myself, and that was the route I was given.
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    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    Nah, British politics is duller than US politics, shame I had to study the former for 2 years when most people doing Politics A level did the US politics option.

    I'm just more interested in ideologies than I am in political systems, though obviously the two interact, with the latter being the historical expression of competing versions of the former.
    See I did Ideologies for A2, so I'm royally fed up with them for a while.

    Plus, I'm quite intrigued, now I have a basis of knowledge from my A2 studies, as to how the ideologies reflect to practical politics. So, for example, the extent to which Cameron = Thatcherite or One Nation Tory. Just because it's not as black and white as ideologies makes it seem
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    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    Rousseau isn't heavy compared to some other political philosophers (Hobbes is pretty dense I find, and Nozick proves arguments with mathematics, which isn't my idea of fun).

    Tbh, my lack of fandom of Obama stems from the fact that I don't see how he could be different, the fact that his cabinet appointments were the same group of people who led us into the present financial crisis, and because every US President since WW2 has been guilty of crimes that would have got you hanged at Nuremburg, a trend I don't see him bucking if the US carry on in Afghanistan.
    Ha, true enough, although in my defence, I had intended it to be relative to some of the other works cited in this thread. So I am assuming that you are against the war in Afghanistan? Are you in favour, if yes, of a full withdrawal?
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    (Original post by Sulman674)
    Ha, true enough, although in my defence, I had intended it to be relative to some of the other works cited in this thread. So I am assuming that you are against the war in Afghanistan? Are you in favour, if yes, of a full withdrawal?
    Regarding Afghanistan, we went in without UN approval, bombed them because the Taliban asked the US for evidence of Bin Laden's involvement in 9/11 before they put him up for extradition, evidence we never gave in the end.

    I have no particularly strong opinions on Afghanistan, other than the fact that I have no idea what we're doing in there still, all of the problems seem to be in Pakistan.
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    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    Nick Cohen is a Neo-Con moonlighting as a liberal

    and Christopher Hitchens seems to be smoking something rather bizarre of late.

    Dunno how they qualify as "leftists", Cohen certainly doesn't,
    Neo-Conservatism is the most "leftist" friendly form of Conservatism.

    They are both clearly leftist as they are very concerned with equality and so on.
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    Neo-Conservatism is the most "leftist" friendly form of Conservatism.

    They are both clearly leftist as they are very concerned with equality and so on.
    First, as a technical point, can you stop using the term "leftist"? I never use the term "rightist" nor does anyone else I know. I know you like the term because it fits in with your conservative wet dream that all -ists of any persuasion are evil (communist, fascist, anarchist etc).

    Second off, both have pretty much drifted to the right and become apologists for imperialism, something which the left has opposed since pretty much its inception.
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    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    First, as a technical point, can you stop using the term "leftist"? I never use the term "rightist" nor does anyone else I know. I know you like the term because it fits in with your conservative wet dream that all -ists of any persuasion are evil (communist, fascist, anarchist etc).

    Second off, both have pretty much drifted to the right and become apologists for imperialism, something which the left has opposed since pretty much its inception.
    I use the term 'leftist' because it's shorter than "left winger".

    Do you want me to use the term "the liberal left", then?

    lol at "imperialism", btw. The Left has commonly supported interventionism.
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    I use the term 'leftist' because it's shorter than "left winger".

    Do you want me to use the term "the liberal left", then?

    lol at "imperialism", btw. The Left has commonly supported interventionism.
    Use the left, or left wing. Leftist just makes you sound like a 'tard

    And which left? I'd like to see some examples of left wing imperialism that I'd be likely to support.
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    'Rightist' is a criminally under-used term, in my opinion.
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    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    Use the left, or left wing. Leftist just makes you sound like a 'tard

    And which left? I'd like to see some examples of left wing imperialism that I'd be likely to support.
    Many Liberals supported the British Empire.

    But the recent wars aren't 'imperialism'. The suggestion that they are is laughable.
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    (Original post by Don_Scott)
    Many Liberals supported the British Empire.

    But the recent wars aren't 'imperialism'. The suggestion that they are is laughable.
    I don't support what the British Empire did

    I recommend you get a decent guide to political ideology out and work out the difference between "liberal" and "left wing", they aren't the same.

    And of course the war in Iraq was in no way an attempt by the US to monopolise oil resources :yes:, even Alan Greenspan accepts that it was. If that isn't imperialism, I don't know what is.
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    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    Regarding Afghanistan, we went in without UN approval, bombed them because the Taliban asked the US for evidence of Bin Laden's involvement in 9/11 before they put him up for extradition, evidence we never gave in the end.

    I have no particularly strong opinions on Afghanistan, other than the fact that I have no idea what we're doing in there still, all of the problems seem to be in Pakistan.
    True, but then, aren't the problems in Pakistan coming from the same border region with Afghanistan in the North?
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    I picked up a copy of 'Blair Unbound' by Anthony Seldon for 50p from a carboot which I'm thumbing my way through and a book from 1914 called 'The Development of European Nations' by J. Holland Rose I have no idea whether I want to read it or not. :P
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    Not Without Honour - The History of American Anticommunism by Richard Gid Powers.
 
 
 
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