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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    I see your point, however mormons do believe in one god..their hevanly father, they just don't believe in the 'trinity' to be one god, but 3 seperate people, but just one GOD, and jesus is the SON of god and the holy spirit is OUR guide.
    Actually, could you clear this up for me, I'm not entirely sure. Do Mormons believe Jesus is God, or a god, or what?

    you're right the BoM is just as authoritive, and this area of mormonism is a grey one, i saw myself as a christian when a mormon, and many if all do, just different views/sources of literature on who this god is
    Yes, Mormons see themselves as Christians, because they are the true church of Christ, etc.
    Whether Mormons are Christians, I don't know. The Bible teaches that whoever believes in Jesus wil have eternal life. Clearly Mormons do believe in Jesus, and that he died for their sins. so I don't know. It seems to me that they believe in a false version of Jesus, but I suppose only God knows.
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    (Original post by Tzar_Chasm)
    Waht's your opinion of Brandon Flowers and his clearly hypocritical views when one considers his claims of being a Mormon; is this the sort of role model for today's youth?

    just wiki'd/googled the guy

    tbh he sounds like he shares my views...
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    (Original post by jhs08)
    Actually, could you clear this up for me, I'm not entirely sure. Do Mormons believe Jesus is God, or a god, or what?


    Yes, Mormons see themselves as Christians, because they are the true church of Christ, etc.
    Whether Mormons are Christians, I don't know. The Bible teaches that whoever believes in Jesus wil have eternal life. Clearly Mormons do believe in Jesus, and that he died for their sins. so I don't know. It seems to me that they believe in a false version of Jesus, but I suppose only God knows.

    without getting offensive, i'd much rather believe in a seperate godhead than the trinity...where there is no mention in the bible of this
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    they're garments that are white, and from the temple- a place for mormons where they feel is a 'sacred' place. Seeing as the covenants are made in the temple, and the garments can only be obtained from a temple (even though many have been bantered around ebay!) it makes it that more special via the connection
    Considering it's all symbolic where it was made (unless we're talking about sweatshops) seems highly irrelevant, but I think that clears up most of that. Thanks .

    Now onto south park, it was a while ago I watched it but the following happens in that episode:

    Joseph Smith found some long lost religious teachings showing Jesus had been to America.
    He then managed to read what these things said (using "se-re stones") and translated the teachings into English(I erm, think? into another language anyway).
    Then he lent them to a publicised, who asked him to recite the teachings to him.
    The reply was "God is now very angry at me for lending you the translations and has asked me instead to read from another book, so the story will be the same but slightly different as it's from someone else's perspective".

    Now i'm sure most of that will be B.S. but, I obviously don't know in what way, if you could clarify the events for me I'd be grateful .
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    (Original post by Oven)
    So I've been reading through the past threads about mormonism and have found that many people don't really understand what it is.

    So this is aimed to be the first "ask a Mormon thread" for TSR.

    Any questions, comments, debates - put them here.
    Do you actually believe you become the king of your own planet (or something absurd like that) when you die? Lmao :rofl:
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    To fellow ex-Mormons (I'm not sure how many there are, but what the hey), what were the reasons behind you leaving the church? Besides the crazy things that the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants taught, for me it was the role of women in the Church, the concept of going on a mission (I felt that those two years were better put in studying at university rather than going to an alien country on a failed proselytising mission), and I really felt shunned whenever I was in Young Mens/Youth. Oh, and not to mention the church's perspective on homosexuality.

    I'm going to try and take my name off the church records in the near future, but I've been told of how much of a task it is to do so and of the risk that my family could shun me for the rest of my life (but I know my family would never do such a thing).
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    Considering it's all symbolic where it was made (unless we're talking about sweatshops) seems highly irrelevant, but I think that clears up most of that. Thanks .

    Now onto south park, it was a while ago I watched it but the following happens in that episode:

    Joseph Smith found some long lost religious teachings showing Jesus had been to America.
    He then managed to read what these things said (using "se-re stones") and translated the teachings into English(I erm, think? into another language anyway).
    Then he lent them to a publicised, who asked him to recite the teachings to him.
    The reply was "God is now very angry at me for lending you the translations and has asked me instead to read from another book, so the story will be the same but slightly different as it's from someone else's perspective".

    Now i'm sure most of that will be B.S. but, I obviously don't know in what way, if you could clarify the events for me I'd be grateful .

    Load of quack, and some bits taken out of context GREATLY (ie the urim and thumin aren't stones...)
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    without getting offensive, i'd much rather believe in a seperate godhead than the trinity...where there is no mention in the bible of this
    Nowhere near being offensive, don't worry..

    Well, I think the Trinity is a very clear biblical doctrine, but we won't get into that.

    Who do Mormons think Jesus is? Is he God?
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    (Original post by MazalTov89)
    To fellow ex-Mormons (I'm not sure how many there are, but what the hey), what were the reasons behind you leaving the church? Besides the crazy things that the Book of Mormon and Doctrine and Covenants taught, for me it was the role of women in the Church, the concept of going on a mission (I felt that those two years were better put in studying at university rather than going to an alien country on a failed proselytising mission), and I really felt shunned whenever I was in Young Mens/Youth. Oh, and not to mention the church's perspective on homosexuality.

    I'm going to try and take my name off the church records in the near future, but I've been told of how much of a task it is to do so (and of the risk that my family could shun me for the rest of my life, but I know my family would never do such a thing)
    probably just me lol.

    Mine were :blacks not recieving preisthood, roles of the woman, views on gay rights, abortion, evolution..euthanasia..etc!!!

    I keep meaning to take my name of the register, but tbh im not too fussed...its no big deal really

    My family won't shun me i know that, i think they've pretty much accepted i'm not going back, and can see how happier i am not being in the church. Obviously my mum is sad i can't share the blessings she wants her family to recieve...as families are meant to be together forever in her eyes, and obviously as i've rejected the church, shes upset i'm not going to be with them, BUT she knows im a good, sensible, modest woman, who's intelligent.

    It has been hard, and my god i feel guilty at times that my mum thinks this and gets upset
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    (Original post by jhs08)
    Nowhere near being offensive, don't worry..

    Well, I think the Trinity is a very clear biblical doctrine, but we won't get into that.

    Who do Mormons think Jesus is? Is he God?

    hes the son of god, he's speaks gods word and was the first son created, however we will all be 'gods' anyway

    and with the trinity thing, well it just all comes down to different interpretations/readings :dontknow:
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    Load of quack, and some bits taken out of context GREATLY (ie the urim and thumin aren't stones...)
    You haven't really put up the version of events, just bashed what sp put on their show.
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    hes the son of god, he's speaks gods word and was the first son created, however we will all be 'gods' anyway
    Is it true Mormons believe he is the brother of Satan?
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    probably just me lol.

    Mine were :blacks not recieving preisthood, roles of the woman, views on gay rights, abortion, evolution..euthanasia..etc!!!

    I keep meaning to take my name of the register, but tbh im not too fussed...its no big deal really

    My family won't shun me i know that, i think they've pretty much accepted i'm not going back, and can see how happier i am not being in the church. Obviously my mum is sad i can't share the blessings she wants her family to recieve...as families are meant to be together forever in her eyes, and obviously as i've rejected the church, shes upset i'm not going to be with them, BUT she knows im a good, sensible, modest woman, who's intelligent.

    It has been hard, and my god i feel guilty at times that my mum thinks this and gets upset
    Whilst she's a MORON :awesome:
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    (Original post by Economic Historian 1)
    Do you actually believe you become the king of your own planet (or something absurd like that) when you die? Lmao :rofl:
    Sort of.

    Mormons believe that Mormons go to heaven and everyone else goes to hell. They also believe in the 'degrees of glory', that at the Day of Judgement, mankind would be sent to one of three kingdoms - Celestial, Terrestial and Telestial. The Teslestial Kingdom is for everyone that has sinned and "never accepted the word of God". The Terrestial Kingdom is for those that did accept the word of God, but were "blinded by the craftiness of men". The Celestial Kingdom is for those that kept the word of the Lord throughout their lives, and it is in this kingdom that they essentially become God-like and can create their own universe and ****.
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    You haven't really put up the version of events, just bashed what sp put on their show.

    probably cause its pretty deep docterine they've taken the piss out of, and i dont have enough understanding of it/ive not learnt it since i was 14!

    I just know the basics im afraid
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    (Original post by jhs08)
    Is it true Mormons believe he is the brother of Satan?

    Yes, we are all brother and sisters of satan, and brother and sisters of jesus
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    Yes, we are all brother and sisters of satan, and brother and sisters of jesus
    so you believe in incest :eek3:
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    (Original post by Subcutaneous)
    probably just me lol.

    Mine were :blacks not recieving preisthood, roles of the woman, views on gay rights, abortion, evolution..euthanasia..etc!!!

    I keep meaning to take my name of the register, but tbh im not too fussed...its no big deal really

    My family won't shun me i know that, i think they've pretty much accepted i'm not going back, and can see how happier i am not being in the church. Obviously my mum is sad i can't share the blessings she wants her family to recieve...as families are meant to be together forever in her eyes, and obviously as i've rejected the church, shes upset i'm not going to be with them, BUT she knows im a good, sensible, modest woman, who's intelligent.

    It has been hard, and my god i feel guilty at times that my mum thinks this and gets upset
    LOL, don't get me started on the views on evolution. In my ward, pretty much everyone accepted the fact that evolution happened with animals, but NEVER with humans!

    Suprisingly, I found out about the role of blacks in the church a couple of years after I left (and naturally I was shocked), although I was aware of how they kept on changing their views on the supposed origins of the Native Americans (this was also another reason why I left). I remember reading the prefaces of two copies of the Book of Mormon, one was printed in the mid-1980s and the other was about 40 years older. The older edition said that the Lamanites were the sole ancestors of the Native Americans, where as the newer version said that they were one of the ancestors of the Native Americans. Apparently, I think this change carried out as a result of several independent genetic studies that clearly proved that there was no relation between Jews and Amerindians.

    And yeah, a part of me is reluctant to take the name of the register because of the effort behind it, but I don't want to be pestered in years to come by missionaries trying to take me "back to the flock"

    And I say these things, in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen
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    (Original post by MazalTov89)
    LOL, don't get me started on the views on evolution. In my ward, pretty much everyone accepted the fact that evolution happened with animals, but NEVER with humans!

    Suprisingly, I found out about the role of blacks in the church a couple of years after I left (and naturally I was shocked), although I was aware of how they kept on changing their views on the supposed origins of the Native Americans (this was also another reason why I left). I remember reading the prefaces of two copies of the Book of Mormon, one was printed in the mid-1980s and the other was about 40 years older. The older edition said that the Lamanites were the sole ancestors of the Native Americans, where as the newer version said that they were one of the ancestors of the Native Americans. Apparently, I think this change carried out as a result of several independent genetic studies that clearly proved that there was no relation between Jews and Amerindians.

    And yeah, a part of me is reluctant to take the name of the register because of the effort behind it, but I don't want to be pestered in years to come by missionaries trying to take me "back to the flock"

    And I say these things, in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen

    *really hope her mum doesn't read this*

    If im ever worried I always pray with my arms crossed and say those lones lmao!!! not like the normal person who prays!

    My mum believes in evolution..but i pointed out to her that the doesn't co-incide with the docterine, but my parents aren't what you'd call the average mormons. I grew up in a pretty liberal family, my mum used to get so OTT about us being bad, and how we weren't like other families in the ward but she just ended up mellowing out

    Im a bit worried about my dad though. He just doesn't seem, happy...in life in general. Maybe its an age thing?

    wow this is like a therapy session lol
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    I think Mormons are pretty cool actually. I lived in Provo for a bit over a year just down the road from Brigham Young Uni so had quite a lot of exposure to Mormonism.

    I think what they believe is nonsense but then again, it's not really any more nonsensical than that which is believed by Christians. Mormons believe that the Native American Indians are the lost tribe of Israel and that Jesus came to America. But is that really so crazy? After all, mainline Christians believe that a man was born to a virgin, turned water into wine, and fed 5000 people with a fish.

    Mind you, the Mormons also baptise the dead - including Hitler.......far out man!
 
 
 
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