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    Ignoring the political bias of the website and the subject of private vs state schooling, is your experience of parents that they espouse leftish ideals but demonstrate conservative habits?

    http://www.labourlist.org/private_sc...t_of_privilege for the full article, with the caveats above.
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    Well my parents buy the Mail and yet seem relatively left wing. I read it for the hilarious opinion pages.
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    Because it's all well and good to believe in equality for all, in health care, education and so on... in that sort of World, there would be no need for private education. That's what they believe.

    However, as facts remain, sending your child to a private school is better than sending them to a state, in a purely selfish way. People put their kids above their principles. If it benefits their child to go to a private school, why wouldn't they send them? People above politics.
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    diane abbott is my favorite example of this!
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    (Original post by obscurename)
    Well my parents buy the Mail and yet seem relatively left wing. I read it for the hilarious opinion pages.

    Richard Littlejohn :love:























    (Joke :ninja:)
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    (Original post by Prince Rhyus)
    Ignoring the political bias of the website and the subject of private vs state schooling, is your experience of parents that they espouse leftish ideals but demonstrate conservative habits?

    http://www.labourlist.org/private_sc...t_of_privilege for the full article, with the caveats above.
    People have to negotiate their way through society as it actually exists, regardless of whether it is arranged as they'd like it. Given that capitalist society is very much one of winners and losers it's not easy for people to resist seeking to make use of those instititions and mechanisms which help improve the potential future of their kids, even if they would like it all to be otherwise. Besides, an expanded middle class is by its nature the expansion of a strata of society who have one foot in the door of capital and this can't help reflect on them ideologically anyway (albeit I mean this in a statistical sense).
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    "Left-wing" ideas are seen as more socially moral.
    "Right-wing" ideas are seen as selfish.
    Everyone likes to seem moral and everyone is a bit selfish, especially when it comes to your own kids.
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    It's basically the difference between collective vs individual rationality.

    The ideology they hold espousies a particular set of ideals which they believe everyone should follow, and indeed, if everyone did follow them, they would not send their child to a private school.

    However, in the absence of everyone acting as those espousing left wing ideologies such as equality of opportunity would like, the result is that actively choosing to send their child to a comprehensive rather than a private school wouldn't, as an individual act, make anyone better off in educational terms. However, at the same time their child would be disadvantaged due to worse educational opportunities and thus possibly later disadvantaged in the job market, an outcome they wish to avoid. the irony of this of course, if that if everyone thinks this way, then the divide between the state and private sector remains unchanged.

    Doesn't stop them being hypocrites, but it does rationalise what they do.
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    its about competitevness- left wing ideology sounds really idealistic and optimisic with the assumption that people are good, and everyone has the same chances, but in our capitalistic world you have to show strenght, power, have to be the best to win. as paretto said: we have 2 types of people(personalities): lions (represent left) and foxes (right), where lions prefer religious matters, family and sustainability and tradition, whereas foxes tend to lie, prefer changes and material issues, they are clever. majority of people who win in those days represents fox's type of personality, what shows the ideal model of personality to become successfull. parents look at them, at the world, and even they dont share right ideology its better for them to provide their children with right theories cause its like preparing them for live, which is hard and not fair, where the best win , not always in a right battle.
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    (Original post by catherina)
    its about competitevness- left wing ideology sounds really idealistic and optimisic with the assumption that people are good, and everyone has the same chances, but in our capitalistic world you have to show strenght, power, have to be the best to win. as paretto said: we have 2 types of people(personalities): lions (represent left) and foxes (right), where lions prefer religious matters, family and sustainability and tradition, whereas foxes tend to lie, prefer changes and material issues, they are clever. majority of people who win in those days represents fox's type of personality, what shows the ideal model of personality to become successfull. parents look at them, at the world, and even they dont share right ideology its better for them to provide their children with right theories cause its like preparing them for live, which is hard and not fair, where the best win , not always in a right battle.
    "where lions (left wingers) prefer religious matters, family and sustainability and tradition"

    That is news to me.:confused:
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    i was taught this at uni with some issues about egalitarian society. there is a circulation between elites, and those with fox's personalities take over lions. especially in managerial organizations.
    "For Pareto, these were Machiavelli’s lions with their strong and enduring attachment to family, class, country, and other traditional social relationships. Here we find the patriots and nationalists who fear neither the use of violence nor the raw exercise of power. Pareto’s world saw the predominance of foxes. Soon, he predicted, the day of the lion would dawn. History fulfilled his prediction"
    " Lions are strong willed, direct, and conservative. They favor adherence to tradition and show little reluctance to use force. On the other hand, foxes are cunning and devious. Their bravado can be toothless posturing and false imagery. They view government as the art of deceit, misinformation, and secret deals, all cloaked behind a veil of propaganda".
    from www.bolender.com if so
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    They don't sound that different at all. You say that both the Foxes and the Lions are conservative and are attached to traditional social relationships.
 
 
 
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