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    what is left wing and right wing?

    i dont have a scooby dooo
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    Brief way of putting it...

    left = communism

    Right = Fascism
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    can u put it in terms of a person, so want they believe is right and wrong
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    (Original post by u_dun_noe)
    Brief way of putting it...

    left = communism

    Right = Fascism
    Brief...and utterly simplistic.

    Two things:

    Economics
    Society

    Left wing on society: Liberal, progressive, pro gay marriage, pro choice, pro drugs. Also associated with more liberal towards immigration, the rights of immigrants and other minorities e.g. single parents. Less authoritarian and more permissive.

    Right wing on society: Conservative, pro traditions, pro marriage, pro life, pro death penalty. Would like to keep things as they are, don't like communities and societies to change, so may not like vast immigration. More authoritarian and less permissive.

    Left wing on economics: Would like state intervention in economics, nationalisation, subsidies, etc. Want worker's control of the workplace, cooperatives, worker's councils, etc.

    Right wing on economics:
    Capitalist, keeping things as they are, maintaining the status quo. Pro private enterprise, property and privatisation. Would like minimal state involvement in the economy.

    Within any of these groups there are variations however. This is just giving the point of view of someone "typical" from any of these groups.
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Brief...and utterly simplistic.

    Two things:

    Economics
    Society

    Left wing on society: Liberal, progressive, pro gay marriage, pro choice, pro drugs. Also associated with more liberal towards immigration, the rights of immigrants and other minorities e.g. single parents. Less authoritarian and more permissive.

    Right wing on society: Conservative, pro traditions, pro marriage, pro life, pro death penalty. Would like to keep things as they are, don't like communities and societies to change, so may not like vast immigration. More authoritarian and less permissive.

    Left wing on economics: Would like state intervention in economics, nationalisation, subsidies, etc. Want worker's control of the workplace, cooperatives, worker's councils, etc.

    Right wing on economics:
    Capitalist, keeping things as they are, maintaining the status quo. Pro private enterprise, property and privatisation. Would like minimal state involvement in the economy.

    Within any of these groups there are variations however. This is just giving the point of view of someone "typical" from any of these groups.
    Pro drugs? Hardly. It's pro the choice to put whatever the **** you want in your body rather than pro drugs, which sort of implies that they encourage drug use. No?
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    (Original post by Bubbles*de*Milo)
    Pro drugs? Hardly. It's pro the choice to put whatever the **** you want in your body rather than pro drugs, which sort of implies that they encourage drug use. No?
    Apologies yeah you're right :mmm:

    Doesn't detract from the point I was making though, I think he knows what I mean.
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    Don't really agree with your definitions whatsoever Democracy! How do the right-wing want the status quo when we currently have a huge government in our economic lives?

    I want more change than your average socialist would! :eek:
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    (Original post by CandyFlipper)
    Don't really agree with your definitions whatsoever Democracy! How do the right-wing want the status quo when we currently have a huge government in our economic lives?

    I want more change than your average socialist would!
    Read the disclaimer at the bottom

    But you have to admit, if you asked the average person "what is a right wing stance on society" you'd get what I said.

    Also, I very much doubt that :mmm:
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Read the disclaimer at the bottom

    But you have to admit, if you asked the average person "what is a right wing stance on society" you'd get what I said.

    Also, I very much doubt that :mmm:
    You just seem to be buying into this bbc "the bnp is far-right" kind of thinking.

    Let me ask you this then - do you not find it inconsistent that your definition of the right-wing wants more state control politically and less state control economically?
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    (Original post by CandyFlipper)
    You just seem to be buying into this bbc "the bnp is far-right" kind of thinking.
    Did I say that? :mute:

    But as far as society goes, yes they are far right. As far as the economy goes they're medium left.

    Let me ask you this then - do you not find it inconsistent that your definition of the right-wing wants more state control politically and less state control economically?
    Not really. If you look at traditional right wing parties e.g. the Republican Party of the USA, the Conservative Party of the UK (to a lesser extent today, but certainly throughout history) and so on, that is precisely what they want.

    Now, obviously this all falls down when we approach the idea of libertarianism which would like liberallness in all areas of politics/economics, however, libertarianism is not the be all and end all, and I was giving the "typical" or "common" definition of the term to the OP. At the end of the day if you ask someone for a definition of a right winger chances are they'll say Republican/Tory i.e. socially conservative and economically liberal. That's just the way it is.
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    (Original post by CandyFlipper)
    You just seem to be buying into this bbc "the bnp is far-right" kind of thinking.

    ...
    Obviously it's not always straight-forward, but it's worth pointing out that the BNP officially regard themselves as 'hard right'.
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Not really. If you look at traditional right wing parties e.g. the Republican Party of the USA, the Conservative Party of the UK (to a lesser extent today, but certainly throughout history) and so on, that is precisely what they want.

    Now, obviously this all falls down when we approach the idea of libertarianism which would like liberallness in all areas of politics/economics, however, libertarianism is not the be all and end all, and I was giving the "typical" or "common" definition of the term to the OP. At the end of the day if you ask someone for a definition of a right winger chances are they'll say Republican/Tory i.e. socially conservative and economically liberal. That's just the way it is.
    I'm not counting heads though - anytime a republican or conservative opposes drugs legalisation etc they're being hypocritical, because they always talk about how individualism should prevail over the state and so on.

    Just because a lot of right-wingers are morons doesn't mean that's how you should define the right-wing. It's just because most people are morons. I could say that being left-wing means you're racist because Nazis and the BNP like nationalisation, but it wouldn't be very fair to intelligent and proper lefties. Indeed a lot of lefties oppose legalisation of drugs, and other things in your list.

    Libertarianism is what being right-wing is all about, its all about individualism. Collectivism vs individualism is the ultimate left-right distinction for me ...
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    (Original post by CandyFlipper)
    I'm not counting heads though - anytime a republican or conservative opposes drugs legalisation etc they're being hypocritical, because they always talk about how individualism should prevail over the state and so on.

    Just because a lot of right-wingers are morons doesn't mean that's how you should define the right-wing. It's just because most people are morons. I could say that being left-wing means you're racist because Nazis and the BNP like nationalisation, but it wouldn't be very fair to intelligent and proper lefties. Indeed a lot of lefties oppose legalisation of drugs, and other things in your list.

    Libertarianism is what being right-wing is all about, its all about individualism. Collectivism vs individualism is the ultimate left-right distinction for me ...
    Nobody said it was a prescriptive and exhaustive list of definitions, however as I say, I was only giving the typical view of such a person. I wasn't dabbling in the theories behind it as much as what left wingers and right wingers generally believe.

    For the record: I believe it comes down to the individual, and I did mention that individuals vary in their beliefs, as it's more than possible to have a mix of any of those 4 definitions.
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    (Original post by CandyFlipper)
    I'm not counting heads though - anytime a republican or conservative opposes drugs legalisation etc they're being hypocritical, because they always talk about how individualism should prevail over the state and so on.

    Just because a lot of right-wingers are morons doesn't mean that's how you should define the right-wing. It's just because most people are morons. I could say that being left-wing means you're racist because Nazis and the BNP like nationalisation, but it wouldn't be very fair to intelligent and proper lefties. Indeed a lot of lefties oppose legalisation of drugs, and other things in your list.

    Libertarianism is what being right-wing is all about, its all about individualism. Collectivism vs individualism is the ultimate left-right distinction for me ...
    The "leftwing" are, historically at least, usually MORE individualist than the right.

    The main difference is equality vs inequality.
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    I think there's a lot more to it than left vs right.

    I can't really be bothered to go into details, because I don't know all of them myself, but I think a sphere would be more accurate, with the 3 axis being:

    Culture-Automation/Science
    Libertarianism-Totalitarianism
    Anarchism-Socialism

    Or something like that anyway, with the surface being akin to entropy and the centre being the preferable state: chaos.
 
 
 
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