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    It should be illegal except from cases of rape, and those cases of rape must have someone found guilty.
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    Not really, people are born gay because its parrtly genetic. However, they shouldn't partake in sexual acts even though they have that tendency.
    That is, hands down, the most ridiculous thing that I've read in a very, very long time.

    (Original post by René Artois)
    It should be illegal except from cases of rape, and those cases of rape must have someone found guilty.
    So, then, what about a rape victim who - for whatever reason - feels that she cannot report the crime? Someone who is sexually abused by a member of their own family, or is worried about the potential repercussions of the accused not being charged, or convicted for the crime? Because believe it or not, many rape cases are unsuccessful in court, due to the "his word against mine" nature of the evidence in a lot of situations (how difficult, for example, is it to draw the line between what A says was consensual, albeit rough, conduct and B says was non-consensual sexual assault in the bedroom?)

    Besides, why should a woman go through the trauma of what could be a very long and ugly trial in order to make herself eligible for the right to make a highly personal and informed decision on what to do with her body, given the circumstances she has found herself in?

    Try thinking next time.
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    (Original post by CasinoBrawl)
    So, then, what about a rape victim who - for whatever reason - feels that she cannot report the crime? Someone who is sexually abused by a member of their own family, or is worried about the potential repercussions of the accused not being charged, or convicted for the crime? Because believe it or not, many rape cases are unsuccessful in court, due to the "his word against mine" nature of the evidence in a lot of situations (how difficult, for example, is it to draw the line between what A says was consensual, albeit rough, conduct and B says was non-consensual sexual assault in the bedroom?)

    Besides, why should a woman go through the trauma of what could be a very long and ugly trial in order to make herself eligible for the right to make a highly personal and informed decision on what to do with her body, given the circumstances she has found herself in?

    Try thinking next time.
    If you dont report something to the police etc then its your own fault. Its that simple.

    Just because its a highly informed or personal choice it doesnt make it right, does it?

    Whether or not its her body is questionable. The fetus will be a child, a child that is also their dads.
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    I'm just wondering, how many of the little boys in this thread who are so quick to describe abortion as "zomg!!1 murder!1" would be so sure of a woman's duty to her unborn child if it was them that had knocked up their girlfriend?

    (Original post by René Artois)
    If you dont report something to the police etc then its your own fault. Its that simple.

    Just because its a highly informed or personal choice it doesnt make it right, does it?

    Whether or not its her body is questionable. The fetus will be a child, a child that is also their dads.
    Absolute ********. I'm going to go ahead and speculate that - rightly or wrongly - there are an awful lot of situations in which a woman would either not want, or simply could not, report such a crime. Unfortunately, there remains in modern society a certain stigma attached to victims of rape, an outdated and frankly disgusting notion that if a woman wears a short skirt on an evening out, she will somehow not be so innocent should anything happen to her. This view is, undeniably, perpetuated by both men and women, and is reinforced every time a girl is referred to as a "slut" or a "*****". There is lingering misogyny in society which can make the question of whether or not to go to the police a hell of a lot more difficult to deal with than it ought to be.

    Regardless of whether or not you think it's daft not to report such a crime to the police, we cannot project what we think we would do in that situation (bearing in mind that, presumably, most of us are fortunate to have never experienced anything close) onto other people and expect them to do the same. Your argument is simply ridiculous.
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    (Original post by CasinoBrawl)
    I'm just wondering, how many of the little boys in this thread who are so quick to describe abortion as "zomg!!1 murder!1" would be so sure of a woman's duty to her unborn child if it was them that had knocked up their girlfriend?
    Well some people would actually. If youre not prepared to deal with a kid you shouldnt be having sex.

    (Original post by CasinoBrawl)
    Absolute ********. I'm going to go ahead and speculate that - rightly or wrongly - there are an awful lot of situations in which a woman would either not want, or simply could not, report such a crime. Unfortunately, there remains in modern society a certain stigma attached to victims of rape, an outdated and frankly disgusting notion that if a woman wears a short skirt on an evening out, she will somehow not be so innocent should anything happen to her. This view is, undeniably, perpetuated by both men and women, and is reinforced every time a girl is referred to as a "slut" or a "*****". There is lingering misogyny in society which can make the question of whether or not to go to the police a hell of a lot more difficult to deal with than it ought to be.
    Calling someone a slut or ***** does not make rape more acceptable. If you want a feminstic rant go to the womens society and complain about it there.

    (Original post by CasinoBrawl)
    Regardless of whether or not you think it's daft not to report such a crime to the police, we cannot project what we think we would do in that situation (bearing in mind that, presumably, most of us are fortunate to have never experienced anything close) onto other people and expect them to do the same. Your argument is simply ridiculous.
    Is it really ridiculous? Yours seemed to be "Well its a personal choice and its their body so yeah they should." Which apparently makes it ok :dontknow: You could say the same thing with suicide, but I know Id rather people didnt think that they should kill themself whenever things go a bit wrong.
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    (Original post by Psyche05)
    You mean more dangerous right?

    But pregnancy and childbirth are also dangerous.
    I guess they are, but if you count the babies that would be innevitably born because of such a policy, you're in for a massive surplus.
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    (Original post by René Artois)
    Well some people would actually. If youre not prepared to deal with a kid you shouldnt be having sex.
    You cannot argue with the fact that the vast majority of people in this thread that are spouting forth about the virtues of a pro-life stance are of the male gender, and the vast majority of people in this thread who occupy the opposite end of the spectrum are female. This, in turn, leads me to believe that an awful lot of people in this thread do not have the first clue what they are talking about.

    Furthermore, your suggestion is ridiculous. I accept fully, and so should you, that many unplanned pregnancies have a happy ending, even if the couple originally did not express a desire for parenthood. Do you not see that herein lies the fundamental point to this debate? Everyone is different. Some people who, in your words, should not be having sex may turn out to be fantastic parents, others might not. There is no great dividing line which determines who is going to be a good parent, and who is not. An expectant couple who have been planning to have their first child for months may turn out to be just as awful at parenting as a 14 year old that gets knocked up on a playground slide. Similarly, the 14 year old that gets knocked up on a playground slide might end up being as good a mother as the 25 year old woman with the steady, well-paid job. Your point is irrelevant. Furthermore, I was addressing your views on what a woman ought to do when she finds herself pregnant through rape, so perhaps we should stick to that.

    (Original post by René Artois)
    Calling someone a slut or ***** does not make rape more acceptable. If you want a feminstic rant go to the womens society and complain about it.
    :rofl:

    I have nothing more to say about that.

    (Original post by René Artois)
    Is it really ridiculous? Yours seemed to be "Well its a personal choice and its their body so yeah they should." Which apparently makes it ok :dontknow: You could say the same thing with suicide, but I know Id rather people didnt think that they should kill themself whenever things go a bit wrong.
    How on earth can you possibly compare abortion with suicide? I mean, seriously. However, if we must go down that route then yes, I do believe that abortion is a personal choice, and I believe that nobody has the right to tell me otherwise and while we're at it, I believe that suicide is a personal choice, too, and would never judge somebody for making that decision because I will never understand the position that they found themselves in and the emotions that brought about such a decision, and neither will you.

    So yes, your argument is still ridiculous.
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    YAY!

    If I had a person growing inside me I'd probably want to get rid of it.
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    An un-passionate yay?
    By this I mean I HATE the idea... but that's a naive opinion, I remember determinely saying as a 10 year old that I would never even CONSIDER an abortion.
    But when you are 10 you never think that at the age of 16 and living at home you would get pregnant after drunkingly having sex with some guy who you can't even remember what he looks like...
    Then you start to see how lucky you are that the NHS offers things like that free. And also however much you love kids how you don't want to live the rest of your life looking after a baby who "doesn't have a daddy" with no qualifications, probably depressed and poor.
    I don't think until those who are pro-life go through it themself realise how sometimes it is the best option.
    The other options? Keeping it means your life will go on a standstill for the next 20 years and adoption is good for other families but bad for the kids and something the birth mother will probably never recover from.
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    (Original post by issih)
    An un-passionate yay?
    By this I mean I HATE the idea... but that's a naive opinion, I remember determinely saying as a 10 year old that I would never even CONSIDER an abortion.
    But when you are 10 you never think that at the age of 16 and living at home you would get pregnant after drunkingly having sex with some guy who you can't even remember what he looks like...
    Then you start to see how lucky you are that the NHS offers things like that free. And also however much you love kids how you don't want to live the rest of your life looking after a baby who "doesn't have a daddy" with no qualifications, probably depressed and poor.
    I don't think until those who are pro-life go through it themself realise how sometimes it is the best option.
    The other options? Keeping it means your life will go on a standstill for the next 20 years and adoption is good for other families but bad for the kids and something the birth mother will probably never recover from.
    Adoption at birth is usually ok, it's when they are taken away from the parents for misconduct that the child ends up messed up. The reason your life will go on standstill for the next 20 years is because abortion exists. Having a child should be something that is encouraged as a fulfilling activity, and society would acommodate mothers more if there were more of them. Abortion is a viscious cycle that creates an environment in which women have to choose between a career and a child when they can very well have both. The funamental flaw in the feminism 'birth control = freedom' philosophy is that if anything it holds women back more, they should have seen that where women go children are sure to follow and made society cater for mother and child, rather than creating a situation in which having a child is percieved as a life and career ending decision.
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    (Original post by CasinoBrawl)
    How on earth can you possibly compare abortion with suicide? I mean, seriously. However, if we must go down that route then yes, I do believe that abortion is a personal choice, and I believe that nobody has the right to tell me otherwise and while we're at it, I believe that suicide is a personal choice, too, and would never judge somebody for making that decision because I will never understand the position that they found themselves in and the emotions that brought about such a decision, and neither will you.
    What about with illegal drugs? I wanna do crack. My body.
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    (Original post by IAmCroissant)
    how about if the woman was left to fend for herself by the man who impregnated her 4 months into it, meaning both she and the fatherless child would have a crap life?
    *shudder* a woman without a man to guide her.....that would be a horrific thought. She will probably end up destitute within weeks.
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    Where's the bang head against wall smiley when i need it?

    Anyway i think we've established that i'm for and you're against so lets just agree to disagree.
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    Celia Wolf-Devine, saw abortion as, '...a willingness to use violence in order to maintain control.' Good ol' feminism.
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    (Original post by CasinoBrawl)
    How on earth can you possibly compare abortion with suicide? I mean, seriously.
    Sovereignty of the body? The one-liner often used in the abortion debate, i.e. 'It's my body and I do as I please' is not the sole prerogative of women being able to terminate pregnancies at their discretion. Just like homosexuality, sex outside of marriage (when comparing other countries), drugs and alcohol. Read up on JS Mill's On Liberty if you like.
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    Ridiculously pro-choice. I'm very liberal
 
 
 
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