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    (Original post by Georgecopter)
    How do you classify those groups?
    Well the Third Reich used to measure noses as a means to see if you had any Jewish inheritance (not saying that this was remotely accurate, but it's what they did) so I'm sure Griffin has something inventive planned.
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    (Original post by Moe Lester)
    Griffin was on Andrew Mar....grrr I missed that.
    Probably be on BBC iPlayer soon.

    EDIT: It's on there already. :eek:
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    (Original post by Eddie_90)
    How naive are you to believe that Nick Griffin has really changed his ways, he was one of the most racist of BNP members.

    The reason for the "reform" is to appear less radical and gain support, it's what parties with a reputation like the BNP do in order to appeal to the voters.

    You talked of listening to the media, but how is listening to a politcal party leader any better? They're the best people at twisting the truth and manipulating people, it's their job!
    People can lose a racist opinion just as easily as people can gain them. There are current members of the labour party who are former communists,yet nobody would suggest they still hold these views today. In the foolishness of youth, people tend to be dragged towards more extreme ideas- The only reason anyone would claim that a political party consisting of an entirely different makeup to the one it held prior to a reform held the same views today as it did before is because of the barrage of anti-bnp material from the liberal elite and mainstream media coming in their direction.
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    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    Well the Third Reich used to measure noses as a means to see if you had any Jewish inheritance (not saying that this was remotely accurate, but it's what they did) so I'm sure Griffin has something inventive planned.
    No doubt.

    Anyway, I think we miss the difference between the protestation that a totally white Britain is do-able and want-able. He still wants one.

    Perhaps we can simply have a system where there are still a majority of Britain in the country, but immigrants are able to come and live and work and do good for society?

    OH WAIT THAT'S OUR CURRENT SYSTEM LOL!
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    (Original post by Jeppaloth)
    Really? How about standing for national pride. Surely a few people in our nation pay attention to that.
    National pride would be unifying the country and strengthening it with... PRIDE. Not being ashamed of our citizens and forcing them out because obviously white people have never done anything wrong. It's all them foreigners!

    The BNP are focused on racial purity and divisions in the country growing larger. Where's the pride?

    I'm white so please don't use the classic BNP fallacy of YOU'RE NOT WHITE THATS WHY YOU DONT LIKE THE BNP.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    :rolleyes:. Google could probably help you out there, or a bit of research into the ethnic groups which constitute British.
    So who made these 'rules' as to who may or may not be ethnically British. And why must they be the rules which are accepted? How are we going to be able to trace everyone's ancestry given that many records are incomplete? What happens if people have a mixture of ancestry from the mentioned groups and other non-British groups?

    What do Al-BNP find so threatening about people with ancestry that is non-British? This mostly only affects the said person by possibly, possibly meaning that have slightly different genetic markers (in some cases).

    I hope you're aware that 'culture' and 'ethnicity' do not correlate absolutely in any sense. E.g. were I to bring an Aboriginal Australian baby to South Kensington and educate him/her alongside local British people there then he/she is going to be culturally non-distinct from his/her British counterparts, no?

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    (Original post by Georgecopter)
    No doubt.

    Anyway, I think we miss the difference between the protestation that a totally white Britain is do-able and want-able. He still wants one.

    Perhaps we can simply have a system where there are still a majority of Britain in the country, but immigrants are able to come and live and work and do good for society?

    OH WAIT THAT'S OUR CURRENT SYSTEM LOL!
    Haha, too true
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    People can lose a racist opinion just as easily as people can gain them. There are current members of the labour party who are former communists,yet nobody would suggest they still hold these views today. In the foolishness of youth, people tend to be dragged towards more extreme ideas- The only reason anyone would claim that a political party consisting of an entirely different makeup to the one it held prior to a reform held the same views today as it did before is because of the barrage of anti-bnp material from the liberal elite and mainstream media coming in their direction.
    Well you may believe that but I'm having none of it in the case of the BNP, the fact some Labour members may have been communists is irrelevant in this case, they probably still uphold values that correspond to socialism.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    You have to be extremely naive to believe every word the mass media and liberal elite spout about a political party who underwent a reform with the sole purpose of expelling it's extremists elements.
    lulz

    I guess i'm just a brainwashed liberal who believes everything in the Sun and Daily Mail then...

    Thankfully the BNP are here to show me the way.
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    he said it wasn't "do-able", doesn't mean he doesn't still want it.
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/The_andrew_marr_show
    go to 34 mins
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    (Original post by Lrilol)
    The BNP are focused on racial purity and divisions in the country growing larger. Where's the pride?
    That is nothing short of a lie. Racial purity has little part in being ethnically British.
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    (Original post by xps.systems)
    So who made these 'rules' as to who may or may not be ethnically British. And why must they be the rules which are accepted? How are we going to be able to trace everyone's ancestry given that many records are incomplete? What happens if people have a mixture of ancestry from the mentioned groups and other non-British groups?
    Ethnic groups do exist, and it is quite clear to anyone who researches ethnicity that it is not merely defined by birth.

    Common sense will be applied, so the typical "where do you draw the line" arguement has no place here. It is also irrelevant- is somebody did have a mixed ethnicity and wanted to be repatriated to a specific country of ancestry I am sure something could be sorted out.

    (Original post by xps.systems)
    What do Al-BNP find so threatening about people with ancestry that is non-British? This mostly only affects the said person by possibly, possibly meaning that have slightly different genetic markers (in some cases).
    By suggesting that you can be ethnically British just by birth in Britain robs the actual British of their identity, which is what they most oppose. On a wider scale of course, they are against the multi-cultural experiment which has been forced onto the people of Britain.
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    Is it just me, or does Nick Griffin look like Jabba the Hut?
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    By suggesting that you can be ethnically British just by birth in Britain robs the actual British of their identity, which is what they most oppose. On a wider scale of course, they are against the multi-cultural experiment which has been forced onto the people of Britain.
    They feel insecure :rofl2:
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    This has been the BNP stance for years.
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    (Original post by thethinker)
    Is it just me, or does Nick Griffin look like Jabba the Hut?
    Lol. He sounds like an English 'Barney the Dinosaur' too :p:
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    "And he looks like one too. Only he's white, naturally."
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    (Original post by Melancholy)
    "And he looks like one too. Only he's white, naturally."
    A dinosaur? :teeth:
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    By suggesting that you can be ethnically British just by birth in Britain robs the actual British of their identity, which is what they most oppose. On a wider scale of course, they are against the multi-cultural experiment which has been forced onto the people of Britain.
    Why does it rob the British of their identity? Am I preventing them from exercising their right to be British? I don't believe that 'culture' is passed down in the genes - it is in fact taught? What do you think about ethnically British people who exercise their right to incorporate foreign cultural etiquette and quirks into their lives of their own volition? How has multiculturalism been FORCED on people? Do British people HAVE to live according to other people's cultures?

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