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    (Original post by Diamond Diva)
    Why the **** should she? You could apply this logic to all items which have been passed down through the generations.
    Admittedly, I don't know much about this topic, but werent the crown jewels stolen from the Indian Raj?
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    here we go again with the (asian/muslim threads again)
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    The British Raj was probably the best thing that ever happened to India.

    Zing!
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    The British raped India, so shouldn't Asians living in the UK milk the British system as much as possible??
    That really is quite a facile and ignorant post.

    India became part of the British empire by proxy (as did most parts of the Empire) as a consequence of British trading with India, what started out as the trade of the East India Company developed into the Raj and British India.

    And you can be certain that India's modern development and prosperity and talk of it eventually becoming a global superpower would not be possible without the infrastructure present as a result of the British Empire.

    As humans we cannot but admire the strength and might of Empire's whether that be the Roman, Ottoman, Mongol etc... but when it was our ancestors ruled, then we want to take revenge.
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    The governing structure of British India mostly just continued along pre-existing lines, often retaining native Kings, merely adding another layer of government over the top which did little other than ensure that foreign trade was not interrupted and that criminal law was properly enforced, for instance banning the burning alive of wives with their dead husbands, and the elimination of the thuggee. I'd venture that most British and Indian people today would regard these as good things. It seems strange that anti-nationalists and anti-racists seem to regard British rule as enormously worse than rule of very similar character both before and after merely because the top level of government were of a different nationality and race. I don't suppose India would have spent quite so long as a socialist quasi-dictatorship if British rule had continued, either.
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    United we stand, Divided we fall. Even though I was born and raised in England, I always put India first :P, If the UK and India go to war, I would fight against the UK. If India and England play cricket, I support India. Im just here for the Education.
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    (Original post by Amit92)
    United we stand, Divided we fall. Even though I was born and raised in England, I always put India first :P, If the UK and India go to war, I would fight against the UK. If India and England play cricket, I support India. Im just here for the Education.
    I trust you'll be moving 'back' to India sometime soon then?
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    (Original post by MaxTib)
    I trust you'll be moving 'back' to India sometime soon then?
    Well im currently living in Israel at the moment. But my family are in England...Yes. They just came here for jobs and money to send back home.
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    Can't always be living in the past, I mean of course the UK and other countries in Europe did take the piss a bit with all their empires and what not but you really can't expect countries who were under their power at that time to strike back now when most of the people from that era are dead and now an overwhelming percentage of the British people are quite open minded and are accepting of other cultures.. Of course there is a percentage of ignorance in it's population but name me a place where there is none... It would be that type of mentality of "getting back at the UK" that fuels the stupidity of the ignorant people... Deal with issues of today not issues from a centuries ago, I think Britain is okay now, talk about getting back at the UK when the Government openly gets back to being all racist and imperial... For now, I guess we should be thankful that the UK learnt from their mistakes...well near enough :p:
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    What mistakes? The British government was without a doubt the most successful at the time and was the most liberal for the time. It’s also a mistake to assume we gave up our imperial positions completely willingly; two world wars to pay for sort of took that decision out of our hands.
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    (Original post by Renner)
    What mistakes? The British government was without a doubt the most successful at the time and was the most liberal for the time. It’s also a mistake to assume we gave up our imperial positions completely willingly; two world wars to pay for sort of took that decision out of our hands.
    Well what we perceive now as mistakes, you know like intolerance and all this business, they were successful but their means of achieving that success isn't something to be totally proud of...
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    (Original post by XCRUSHESX)
    Well what we perceive now as mistakes, you know like intolerance and all this business, they were successful but their means of achieving that success isn't something to be totally proud of...
    Intolerance of what exactly? What was there to be tolerant of?
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    (Original post by Renner)
    Intolerance of what exactly? What was there to be tolerant of?
    Other cultures, I mean they viewed countries that were part of their Empire as subordinates and so on... I mean they werent necessarily nice where they LOL
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    The British never raped India. All you can do is be grateful for the industry, technology, and legal system they kindly exported to your country.
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    (Original post by XCRUSHESX)
    Other cultures, I mean they viewed countries that were part of their Empire as subordinates and so on... I mean they werent necessarily nice where they LOL
    I think for the most part the government simply wasn’t interested in the native culture, as long as they didn’t cause any trouble it seems the natives were just left to get on with it. From then on in it was down to the individuals, while no doubt some colonials treated the natives harshly other's from the empire sought to learn about native customs and often worked with natives while exploring and trading.

    Were we did intervene in native culture it was normally for the better, in India for example we tried to stamp out the burning of wife’s with there dead husbands.
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    (Original post by Renner)
    I think for the most part the government simply wasn’t interested in the native culture, as long as they didn’t cause any trouble it seems the natives were just left to get on with it. From then on in it was down to the individuals, while no doubt some colonials treated the natives harshly other's from the empire sought to learn about native customs and often worked with natives while exploring and trading.

    Were we did intervene in native culture it was normally for the better, in India for example we tried to stamp out the burning of wife’s with there dead husbands.
    I guess it did have it's pros and cons. Think it depends how you see it there is always a problem with the "I am doing this for your own good" way of thinking.
    Because some people are okay with what they are doing and believe that they are just pushing their beliefs onto others, an example in recent years would be homosexuality, some people try their best to make them not gay through camps and stuff because they think it is "for their own good" but the person in question may see it as them not being tolerant of their lifestyle.

    However others would say that it is their right to make the world a better place, and if that means intervening or going to war with places to bring about a "good change" then to the person doing it, it seems justified..
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    (Original post by XCRUSHESX)
    I guess it did have it's pros and cons. Think it depends how you see it there is always a problem with the "I am doing this for your own good" way of thinking.
    Because some people are okay with what they are doing and believe that they are just pushing their beliefs onto others, an example in recent years would be homosexuality, some people try their best to make them not gay through camps and stuff because they think it is "for their own good" but the person in question may see it as them not being tolerant of their lifestyle.

    However others would say that it is their right to make the world a better place, and if that means intervening or going to war with places to bring about a "good change" then to the person doing it, it seems justified..
    Well do you see tolerance as above all else? I don’t, I think if we see something we disagree with we should try and change it. Going back to the Empire I think transporting British values and customs around the world was a good thing even if it meant losing some native ones, and seeing as some native customs were decidedly dodgy I’m not going to beat myself up over that.

    We were not like the Spanish in south America, we did not slaughter people if they didn’t convert to Christianity but we did give people the option through missionaries and the like and now much of Africa is Christian, do you think this is intolerance?
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    (Original post by Renner)
    Well do you see tolerance as above all else? I don’t, I think if we see something we disagree with we should try and change it. Going back to the Empire I think transporting British values and customs around the world was a good thing even if it meant losing some native ones, and seeing as some native customs were decidedly dodgy I’m not going to beat myself up over that.

    We were not like the Spanish in south America, we did not slaughter people if they didn’t convert to Christianity but we did give people the option through missionaries and the like and now much of Africa is Christian, do you think this is intolerance?
    Hmm I understand the cause, but it is just tricky, I mean liberty is like a double edged sword because it is freedom, but can one have the freedom to do bad, and if one intervenes to try and prevent them from doing bad, is that an infringement of their civil liberties..?

    It is a matter of opinion i guess
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    (Original post by temptationsu)
    The British raped India, so shouldn't Asians living in the UK milk the British system as much as possible??
    Apart from the fact that we kind of created small things like pretty much the entire transport system, legal system, education system and political system.... which just show how floored you premise is in the first place.... what you wrote is just wrong on so many levels... :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by XCRUSHESX)
    Well what we perceive now as mistakes, you know like intolerance and all this business, they were successful but their means of achieving that success isn't something to be totally proud of...
    Britain did not try to destroy Indian culture. In fact, we adopted some of it as part of our own. Where do you think our enthusiasm for Indian food (which doesn't exist in America), or words like 'bungalow' and 'mufti' come from?
 
 
 
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