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    Financial Times
    4.07%
    The Guardian
    34.15%
    The Independent
    13.01%
    The Times
    31.71%
    The Daily Star
    0.81%
    The Daily Mail
    8.13%
    The Daily Express
    0.81%
    The News of Teh World
    0.81%
    The Sun
    6.50%
    The Flame
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    0%
    The Asian Age
    0
    0%
    El Pais
    0
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    Define it then. I'm looking forward to seeing how it corresponds to my beliefs. :rolleyes:






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    The way you sign your posts with ":teeth:" shows how crap your arguments actually are.

    Primarily, I would see the largest indicator of fascism as being an authoritarian regime. Of course, not all authoritarian regimes are fascist and vice versa, but it's a fairly good indication. Tick.
    Against: Marxism, Socialism, Anarchism, Communism, Environmentalism, etc. Tick.
    Strong believers in nationalism. Tick.
    Against equality. Tick.
    Advocators of tradition. Tick.
    (Most) want closed borders. Tick.
    White supremacism (in some cases). Tick.

    Quite.

    I don't, however, know whether you believe in the centralisation of authority, or a dictatorship, I'll give you that.
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    I never knew there was a newspaper called The Flame. I must investigate! It sounds thrilling ...
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    The way you sign your posts with ":teeth:" shows how crap your arguments actually are.

    Primarily, I would see the largest indicator of fascism as being an authoritarian regime. Of course, not all authoritarian regimes are fascist and vice versa, but it's a fairly good indication. Tick.
    Against: Marxism, Socialism, Anarchism, Communism, Environmentalism, etc. Tick.
    Strong believers in nationalism. Tick.
    Against equality. Tick.
    Advocators of tradition. Tick.
    (Most) want closed borders. Tick.
    White supremacism (in some cases). Tick.

    Quite.

    I don't, however, know whether you believe in the centralisation of authority, or a dictatorship, I'll give you that.
    You have an extremely warped view of fascism (and my ideas). LOL.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    The way you sign your posts with ":teeth:" shows how crap your arguments actually are.

    Primarily, I would see the largest indicator of fascism as being an authoritarian regime. Of course, not all authoritarian regimes are fascist and vice versa, but it's a fairly good indication. Tick.
    Against: Marxism, Socialism, Anarchism, Communism, Environmentalism, etc. Tick.
    Strong believers in nationalism. Tick.
    Against equality. Tick.
    Advocators of tradition. Tick.
    (Most) want closed borders. Tick.
    White supremacism (in some cases). Tick.

    Quite.

    I don't, however, know whether you believe in the centralisation of authority, or a dictatorship, I'll give you that.
    so he's nationalist then and not fascist by your own argument since the bits in bold are what separate fascism from nationalism.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    You have an extremely warped view of fascism (and my ideas). LOL.
    I don't quite see why you're laughing out loud. You really belong on a website like stormfront.
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    (Original post by Square)
    so he's nationalist then and not fascist by your own argument since the bits in bold are what separate fascism from nationalism.
    I would think he would believe in a dictatorship. But regardless, many elements of his beliefs do tie him into fascism, though you're right, nationalist he definitely is.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    I don't quite see why you're laughing out loud. You really belong on a website like stormfront.
    Har har :awesome:
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascism

    I'll quote the most important bits:

    "# A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism."

    "... a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

    "Today, the term fascist is used loosely to refer to military dictatorships, as well as governments or individuals that profess racism and that act in an arbitrary, high-handed manner."

    http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/facism

    "Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers individual and other societal interests subordinate to the interests of the state. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, or racial attributes. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, and opposition to economic and political liberalism.[1][2][3][4][5][6] "

    "Fascism may be defined as a form of political behavior marked by obsessive preoccupation with community decline, humiliation, or victim-hood and by compensatory cults of unity, energy, and purity, in which a mass-based party of committed nationalist militants, working in uneasy but effective collaboration with traditional elites, abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion."[9]"

    "...a sense of overwhelming crisis beyond reach of traditional solutions; 2. belief one’s group is the victim, justifying any action without legal or moral limits; 3. need for authority by a natural leader above the law, relying on the superiority of his instincts; 4. right of the chosen people to dominate others without legal or moral restraint; 5. fear of foreign `contamination."[10]"

    The BNP fits the bill :yep:
    If you can find where the BNP have ever stated that they want to dissolve democracy in Britain and start up a dictatorship/authoritarian state, that they wish to dominate over weaker countries in armed combat, that they want to set up a corporatist economic policies. Then I will eat my words.

    As of right now I still stand by my views.

    Nationalists: yes
    Racists: yes
    Fascists: no.

    Fascism is basically just an insult in politics now, probably the most overused and misused insult.

    Should probably add that I by no means agree with anything the BNP stand for, but they aren't fascists.
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    (Original post by Square)
    If you can find where the BNP have ever stated that they want to dissolve democracy in Britain and start up a dictatorship/authoritarian state or that they wish to dominate over weaker countries in armed combat or that they want to set up a corporatist economic policies. Then I will eat my words.

    As of right now I still stand by my views.

    Nationalists: yes
    Racists: yes
    Fascists: no.

    Fascism is basically just an insult in politics now, probably the most overused and misused insult.

    Should probably add that I by no means agree with anything the BNP stand for, but they aren't fascists.
    I doubt you'll find many facist party that openly admits it wants to dispense with democracy and institute a police state :p:
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    I doubt you'll find many facist party that openly admits it wants to dispense with democracy and institute a police state :p:
    maybe not, but you can't label them just because of your presumptions.

    That's like looking at a black man and assuming he's a criminal.
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    I doubt you'll find many facist party that openly admits it wants to dispense with democracy and institute a police state :p:
    Yeah but it's unfair to assume that they'll do that.
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    (Original post by Square)
    maybe not, but you can't label them just because of your presumptions.

    That's like looking at a black man and assuming he's a criminal.
    Haha, not even close.

    The BNP fit the bill in every respect except they don't openly state they want to abolish democracy.

    That's just a bit of whitewashing to make them seem more electable.

    Forgive me if i do not trust the BNP to keep their word when they say they're good honest democracy supporters :rolleyes:

    (Original post by Jonty99)
    Yeah but it's unfair to assume that they'll do that.
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    You want to be FAIR to the BNP?
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)
    Haha, not even close.

    The BNP fit the bill in every respect except they don't openly state they want to abolish democracy.

    That's just a bit of whitewashing to make them seem more electable.

    Forgive me if i do not trust the BNP to keep their word when they say they're good honest democracy supporters :rolleyes:



    You want to be FAIR to the BNP?
    You can't just assume they'll implement a police state.
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    (Original post by Jonty99)
    You can't just assume they'll implement a police state.
    Forgive me for not giving the BNP the benefit of the doubt .

    No fascist party has been elected democratically with over 50% of the vote (as you would need in proportional representation).

    Unfortunately for the UK, you need pretty much 40% of the vote and thus most governments are infact minority governments (not true majorities anyway). This the only stopgap to a minority government causing problems is, you guessed it, the Queen, who holds the theoretical right to stop legislation being passed.

    When was the last time she did this?

    The point being that if there's one country in Europe where a facist party would have an easy time upon being elected, it would be the UK.

    I don't know what Parliamentary stopgaps there are to prevent the changing of the constitution. What % vote is required to effect a change (is it the 2/3rds like in many proportional representation parliaments?)?
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    The popularity according to my paper round:
    1: The Times, The Daily Telegraph (you forgot this in your polls!), (and Jewish Chronicle on Fridays but that might just be my street)
    2: The Daily Mail
    3: The Daily Express, The Guadian
    4: Financial Times
    5: Others (Independant, Mirror, People)
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    (Original post by Lefty Leo)

    I don't know what Parliamentary stopgaps there are to prevent the changing of the constitution. What % vote is required to effect a change (is it the 2/3rds like in many proportional representation parliaments?)?
    Changing the constitution requires only an Act of Parliament, so I guess it would just require a majority like any other bill.
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    The Guardian
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    Why is 'The Telegraph' not on the poll? ;/
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    Metro.
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    (Original post by imomo16)
    Changing the constitution requires only an Act of Parliament, so I guess it would just require a majority like any other bill.
    Then i think the only stopgap to a fascist government is the queen :yep:
 
 
 
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