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    (Original post by apotoftea)
    I guess so. Just to me it seems weird that you need to use a table to find other unis that teach your subject, that's all :dontknow: International students fair enough, how else would they know? But for UK students, I'm not convinced.
    Hmm, I don't know about you, but I doubt I'd be able to compile a list of every single university which offers postgraduate courses in my subject without referring some sort of reminder of what universities there are.:dontknow: I don't think very many people could do that, unless they happen to be looking for very obscure and/or highly specialised courses.
    Also what about the unis that are left off league tables for whatever reason? The ones that don't appear on a list may well offer the course structure and topics most suited to the person looking at the league table in the first place.
    Well, I never claimed it was the best or the only way of going about things, but if you're only starting to look for options, any list of universities could help you to discover some places you may not otherwise have considered. Maybe not every single place there is, but if it gives you a few extra ideas, that's an improvement, right?
    But hey a lot of it will depend on what sort of 'career' advice you get on your UG course and other bits of knowledge relating to subject specialties
    Fair enough. But most people will only be recommended a handful of potentially suitable courses which their tutors happen to have some knowledge of...
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    Don't RAE results now determine how much funding a department has to offer for postgrads? If so, the results are certainly worth looking at.
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    (Original post by Craghyrax)
    Because its possible to refer to a league table without simultaneously believing that its the rosetta stone. Before you start comparing details about course content, funding, resources and research output and staff, there isn't any harm in having a look to see which 20 or so departments scored highly in the RAE. If you know that this is a crude measure which gives you only a rough sketch, then you'll simply see that as provisional picture of the lay of the land to be accompanied by the other vital information that you also look up, as I argued above. Recognising that league tables are only tentatively representative doesn't necessitate marking them out as the root of all evil. Its obvious that they're not likely to corrupt a person's reasoning capacities if they've taken due caution to think about what the most important factors are and to attach appropriate weight to these.

    I think alot of people use the tables simply because people like the easy option out. They're lazy and don't want to go to all the trouble, and leap at some sort of tool to simplify things. They usually speak to all their friends/tutors and so on as well just to suss out the general prejudices going around. Also departments proudly list their RAE awards on their websites which gives the table a subconscious impression of credibility :p: In the light of this I agree with your energetic dismissal of the league tables, and emphasis on more important details which require a bit of proactivity to find out - obviously taking the lazy route is very silly. However I'm just pointing out that having a look at the RAE rankings doesn't instantly brand you as un-proactive, ignorant and stupid, as they can be considered without overemphasising their real use.

    FYI a few of the postgrads I've discussed this with on TSR also used RAE initially to locate 20 or so Universities before they started to look at staff/funding/research foci. I shan't mention any names lest I oust them as ignorant and destroy their credibility on the forum :dry:


    Sure I agree people should be proactive and shouldn't expect having everything packaged up with ribbons for them (I wish them luck when it comes to PhD) That's one of the annoying things about the education system here I think. I just don't agree that a person having a look at a league table is a surefire way to diagnose students as holding that particular attitude or outlook.

    Actually, I have done the research i.e. speaking to the admission tutor, reasearched area, projects, staff, google,etc..and I have selected the uni that I would like to choose. As I am an international student, I just want to know more information about other universities and courses in the UK and obviously I am not using it as an indicator to choose for a postgraduate course. Furthermore, the reason for writing this thread is just to find some tables or figures to show my parents as they kept on asking me for a league table or some sort, I have showed them the Guardian one and I thought this will forum would be a nice place to look for some resources and advice, but it turns out to be this situation.
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    (Original post by euniceeee)
    Actually, I have done the research i.e. speaking to the admission tutor, reasearched area, projects, staff, google,etc..and I have selected the uni that I would like to choose. As I am an international student, I just want to know more information about other universities and courses in the UK and obviously I am not using it as an indicator to choose for a postgraduate course. Furthermore, the reason for writing this thread is just to find some tables or figures to show my parents as they kept on asking me for a league table or some sort, I have showed them the Guardian one and I thought this will forum would be a nice place to look for some resources and advice, but it turns out to be this situation.
    I wasn't referring to you in that post, don't worry! I was only replying to apotoftea's general points.

    Good luck with your application. All I can say is that there are loads of threads in this forum, so perhaps if you page back and use forum search you might find info relevant to your course.

    Otherwise carry on asking more specific questions - there are loads of people in the forum who will try to help you!
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    Surely by the end of your undergrad degree, you should realise that those league tables you read 3 or more years ago are utterly useless?
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    (Original post by DarkWhite)
    Surely by the end of your undergrad degree, you should realise that those league tables you read 3 or more years ago are utterly useless?
    Read the posts properly :dry:
 
 
 
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