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    (Original post by CandyFlipper)
    You're attributing blame wrongly, read my post above this one. If government intervention prevents competition of course this kind of thing happens - its because the market isn't free and the system you're witnessing is not capitalism. Nike can afford the regulations and taxes on business at the moment, so its a huge monopoly and Mr Baltazar is forced to work for them regardless of the conditions.

    Not to mention that the only solution to a private monopoly is a public monopoly and I can never understand why people insist this is preferable. Look at how that's working out in Africa at the moment.
    What nations in Africa are socialist exactly? Playing in to the abysmal state of African economies is the fact that the IMF et al insist that any aid money that is given comes with particular conditions, usually the opening up of markets. Not just opening them, but opening them to a greater extent than the markets than any of the Western nations.

    So how exactly can any of the African countries be socialist when their industries are controlled by the Western Powers? We give them aid with one hand, and use it as a bargaining tool to force them to let us extract wealth from the country with the other.

    You end up with situations like Nigeria where the only people to have made any money from their oil fields are Western engergy companies, Western contractors, and government officials.

    Of course governments in Africa are corrupt. They were by and large installed by the Imperial forces for the very reason that they would play ball.
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    (Original post by FatFridge)
    We havent caused poverty in other countries
    :cool: OK then, keep believing that.
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    (Original post by Linweth)
    At the end of the day my priorities are much higher to me than people who are in poverty. Why should i worry myself about making someone else's life better when I need to sort my life out first? That doesn't make a person evil.
    If you halved, even quartered, the amount of money you spent I sincerely doubt your life would be any worse. This is a question which everybody feels uncomfortable asking and, as this thread shows, there are plenty of hollow excuses used to somehow justify our abhorrent lives; the truth is the way we're living is vile. People (including myself) refuse to admit this rather obvious fact.
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    Because I'm more important to me than they are.
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    No-one said life was fair. Just gotta live with the hand you're dealt.
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    (Original post by caroline147)
    People's suffering isn't necessarily immoral.
    Coercing the wealthy to help those in poverty would be far more despicable.
    Suffering is not necessarily immoral, but when suffering is undeserved, inescapable, and serves no purpose, surely it is immoral then?

    And why is it more despicable to coerce, say, a millionaire who has inherited their wealth into giving a tiny fraction away than to not help those families dying of starvation and disease through no fault of their own?

    I'm a little confused as to your position...
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    (Original post by Nick Longjohnson)
    I love it when people say that everyone should be rich!
    Wealth is relative man, for someone to be rich, someone else has to be poor!
    Just be glad you're not one of the starving ones, and enjoy the money.
    True, but there is a distinction between relative and absolute poverty. Relative poverty will always exist, absolute poverty (although it probably will), doesn't have to. Greater equality would have a net benefit
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    Because I really don't care. Seriously, it effects me in no way whatsoever and metaphorical "suffering children" do nothing to stir me emotionally.
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    (Original post by Tzar_Chasm)
    If you halved, even quartered, the amount of money you spent I sincerely doubt your life would be any worse. This is a question which everybody feels uncomfortable asking and, as this thread shows, there are plenty of hollow excuses used to somehow justify our abhorrent lives; the truth is the way we're living is vile. People (including myself) refuse to admit this rather obvious fact.
    Well considering I am a student, it would make a big difference to my living standards. I don't feel uncomfortable answering this question, I just simply do not think about people dying from poverty because I have other things to worry about. I am aware this may seem self centered but like someone else said, the most important person in your life is you.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Would you really like to know? Because I am self-interested, and rightly so - just like every other living thing on this planet and probably in this universe. More importantly though, because I do not believe that need is any sort of claim to property. What I have, I am entitled to.

    Whilst other people out there may be robbed or, more frequently, held at the barrel of a gun by their authoritarian/socialist governments (which is, I believe, the sole cause of true poverty in the world) it does not give them standing to expect things off of me. Yes, I believe what is done to them is immoral, and I will go some way to helping that - as a free world is in my interest as well as theirs - but to surrender what I want out of life to what someone else wants out of life is too much.
    Bravo.
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    There is always something at the other end of the spectrum. I'm not saying we shouldn't help people in poverty but I'm not about to give up my life and my well being for a stranger just because I sympathise with their situation and feel 'guilty'.
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    We need socialism!
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    You know what? Next you'll be going "Hey, communism doesn't sound half bad actually".
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    (Original post by Linweth)
    Well considering I am a student, it would make a big difference to my living standards. I don't feel uncomfortable answering this question, I just simply do not think about people dying from poverty because I have other things to worry about. I am aware this may seem self centered but like someone else said, the most important person in your life is you.
    No, actually it sounds selfish and I completely agree with you.
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    Because my xbox blocks out the suffering.
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    (Original post by Tzar_Chasm)
    People speak of the horrors of war and the Holocaust.
    We do that so that we don't forget. Forgetting would result in it happening again. I don't think you can really compare the psychological torture of the holocaust and world wars to the poverty in places such as Africa. At lot of those people are extraordinarily able to find happiness and love whilst having nothing and everything taken from them. The people in the war and holocaust couldn't. The reason why westerners are moved to tears by those in Africa is because of their ability to give everything they have with nothing in return. Whilst the majority of westerners can having everything they want and can still be miserable.

    I still don't feel guilty for what I have though and I don't think that is selfish or an excuse.
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    here we go again.
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    Wow, this thread has become epic.

    (Original post by stratomaster136)
    Suffering is not necessarily immoral, but when suffering is undeserved, inescapable, and serves no purpose, surely it is immoral then?

    And why is it more despicable to coerce, say, a millionaire who has inherited their wealth into giving a tiny fraction away than to not help those families dying of starvation and disease through no fault of their own?

    I'm a little confused as to your position...
    As Anonymouse said earlier, if someone is unlucky enough to be born without a kidney, should I be expected to donate one of mine? Furthermore, discussion of the morality of suffering/happiness is largely irrelevant to me. Consequentialism, and thus utilitarianism, is logically flawed.


    'Helping' families in poverty isn't despicable at all, it's obviously an excellent idea when carried out effectively. Charity is a wonderful thing. Being forced to help those families, however, is an entirely separate issue.

    (Original post by nikdc5)
    You genuinely think that raising taxes on the richest 10% of the world's population would be worse than having about half the population of the world living in dire poverty?
    Yes.

    Removing trade restrictions and allowing the market to provide effective charity, instead of the State, would be highly desirable though.


    & neg reppers may as well leave your name. Cowards
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    (Original post by Tzar_Chasm)
    Everyday I'm wracked with guilt. Since when was it acceptable for us to spend money on things we don't actually need, rather than helping people who are dying because of poverty?
    As several other people have said in this thread, do something about it.

    You're 18, you've got your whole life ahead of you, if you're passionate you can make a difference. I'm completely serious about this.

    Do you think the people who've changed the world in the past have had something magic about them ? - no. They're just ordinary people with a passion.

    When Muhammad Yunus was 18 he was just a first year economics undergrad who wanted to be an actor. When Norman Borlaug was 18 he failed his university entrance test. Yet both of them are responsible for pulling tens (or even hundreds) of millions of people out of poverty.

    Figure out what you're good at and then dedicate your time to using it to make the world a better place. Become a world expert in desalination, clean energy, high-yield crops, etc.

    The same goes for everyone else here who feels the same way. The world is changed by those who turn up!
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    What you on about, there's plenty of private ed kids out there in Africa, staying in 5 star resorts and taking day trips to "help" the pauper children.

    Fighting poverty on the front line.
 
 
 
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