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    Wow, wow and WOW. The British National Party are making politics sexy again, they are real people not inflatable politicians who will say anything to get elected.
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    he sickens me to the core.
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    (Original post by Tinkerbelle ♥)
    he sickens me to the core.
    Isn't he just dreamy?
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    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    I reread the list you posted. At most there are a couple of convictions for violent offences, which given the size of the Labour Party is pretty insignificant. Constrast this with the BNP, comparatively smaller and yet with a great deal more in the way of convictions for violent offences. Most of the names I posted were of individuals with relatively senior positions in the party, unlike the examples you gave which were mostly councillors. Incidentally, you gave the names of several individuals who weren't actually members of the Labour Party, but never mind.

    And I can't be bothered to post up the links between BNP members and other far right groups, it's well documented and you can go hunting for it if you actually want. I see little to be gained from providing you with more evidence when your current state is the debating equivalent of sticking both fingers in your ears and chanting to yourself.

    You have a ridiculously uncritical attitude towards the BNP, I suspect you're a sympathiser, you've hinted at it in other threads. You just don't want to admit it for fear of being shunned.

    Grow up
    Lol. Just because I proved your conclusions to be utterly illogical and prejudicial. :teeth:
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    Lol. Just because I proved your conclusions to be utterly illogical and prejudicial. :teeth:
    You'll have to explain why showing concern about a party with links to the extreme right and with large numbers of members convicted of serious violent offences is prejudice. Considering the comparatively small size of the BNP, is it not a cause for concern? The examples you gave from Labour pale by comparison.

    My point anyway was that Griffin's claims of persecution are severely weakened by the history of his party and its members, and the links between his party and extreme right wing organisations which engage in violence as a political weapon. That seems to me to be a valid point and it's not one you have refuted.
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    (Original post by Voluntas Mos Victum)
    Inspiring and emotive speech.

    I wonder how long it will take for certain MEPs to admit their role in the UAF to the general public.

    its their rabbit in the hat for when they need a few extra votes
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    (Original post by Prospera)
    Isn't he just dreamy?
    :awesome:
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    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    You'll have to explain why showing concern about a party with links to the extreme right and with large numbers of members convicted of serious violent offences is prejudice. Considering the comparatively small size of the BNP, is it not a cause for concern? The examples you gave from Labour pale by comparison.

    My point anyway was that Griffin's claims of persecution are severely weakened by the history of his party and its members, and the links between his party and extreme right wing organisations which engage in violence as a political weapon. That seems to me to be a valid point and it's not one you have refuted.
    The BNP has a good 15,000 members; I don't think even a hundred convictions in a party of that size would do anything to determine any official line. And, anyway, I'm not actually trying to knock Labour down. As much as I think they're utter *****, I'm not shortsighted enough to think that Cllr David Spooner - masturbating in front of two young boys - Myr John Wistanley - rape and threatening to kill - Mark Tann - raping a 4-year old girl on two separate occasions - and all the other paedophiles and rapists in that list, would correlate with the parliamentary Labour Party in a government many years down the line (as the BNP would be if they ever did) relaxing laws on rape and paedophilia. It's just absurd.

    On the links to the extreme right, well, it depends exactly on what links we're talking about. If they're a bunch of discourses between a skinhead pleb in the lower echelons then that hardly counts as a party affiliation. If they're official affiliations between the party and other organisations then yes. However, I do know that sometimes the anti-BNP sites present C18, B&H, NSM members etc. as BNP members when they'd had little or no association with them (like the bomber David Copeland). They have links with the AFBNP who are American white nationalists (and, tbh, they'd do best from disassociating themselves with these). I think the main point is that if the BNP ever hit the heights of the Front National there would be little support among the vast majority of members for anything more extreme than current BNP policy. There simply aren't that many extremists in the country.
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    Have a look at http://www.labourlist.org/snubed-gri...lenis-willmott - ignore the article, you'll never get the time back. The comments make for interesting reading given the source.
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    MR 781 doesn't look too impressed :blah:
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    He's a fascist ****. Simple as.
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    He's trying to shake the semen off his hand which he had before the conference
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    Actually, that was a good speech..
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    (Original post by Prince Rhyus)
    Have a look at http://www.labourlist.org/snubed-gri...lenis-willmott - ignore the article, you'll never get the time back. The comments make for interesting reading given the source.
    Lol. That article is ridiculous. Calling someone a 'political prostitute' is not misogyny - it's obviously a valid remark about the Kinnocks' hypocrisy. In its context Griffin was talking about how they've been living the "champagne socialist" life, leaching off tax-payers money etc.:

    "She is a political prostitute, simple as that. She and her husband started off their careers as anti-common market and now they are there not just with their noses in the trough, they are in the trough"

    Spot on. Trust LIEbour to come up with something like this. :rofl:
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    (Original post by Dionysus)
    He's a fascist ****. Simple as.
    What a comprehensive, cohesive argument. Not juvenile in the slightest.
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    (Original post by Prospera)
    What a comprehensive, cohesive argument. Not juvenile in the slightest.
    What is not comprehensive about it? I have comprehensively stated my opinion on the man. He's a fascist ****. Dignifying the ******** with elaboration is unnecessary.
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    (Original post by Dionysus)
    What is not comprehensive about it? I have comprehensively stated my opinion on the man. He's a fascist ****. Dignifying the ******** with elaboration is unnecessary.
    You're meant to be a Politics student. I'd expect you to know what Fascism actually means, and apply it correctly, instead of working around petty unfounded associations with twentieth century regimes which happened to be Fascist.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    You're meant to be a Politics student. I'd expect you to know what Fascism actually means, and apply it correctly, instead of working around petty unfounded associations with twentieth century regimes which happened to be Fascist.
    Well done. Most people who speak of fascism, dont really know what it means, you have that part right. But my question to you now is, do you know what the principle of facism is?
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    (Original post by Dan1607)
    Well done. Most people who speak of fascism, dont really know what it means, you have that part right. But my question to you now is, do you know what the principle of facism is?
    Yes. It's the concept of using force to suppress political opponents, establishing an authoritarian, one-party state and controlling the media. Fascist Italy was a corporatist also.

    People typically refer to Nick Griffin as a Fascist, not because of any knowledge behind its meaning, but instead because it's an emotive term that carries with it connotations of Hitler, Mussolini and Franco. So, in effect, they're attacking their strawman of Nick Griffin, not Nick Griffin.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    You're meant to be a Politics student. I'd expect you to know what Fascism actually means, and apply it correctly, instead of working around petty unfounded associations with twentieth century regimes which happened to be Fascist.
    I'm actually a Fascism specialist, if you must know. And to be more precise, the BNP are a National Socialist Racist party, more comparable with Nazi Germany than the Partito Nazionale Fascista.

    The BNP really are not worthy of ideological discussion of where they might fit into a modern Europe, however. Their interest is academic only. They are a bunch of thugs with no place in professional politics. People discussing them in terms of 'policies' just gives them legitimacy. The amount of moronic discussions I see on here with people actually discussing the BNP's merits vs drawbacks is beyond belief. They have no merits, they are inherently anti-democratic and hateful. Giving them a platform is exactly what they want.
 
 
 
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