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    (Original post by Democracy)
    Lolololololol :hahaha:

    http://bnp.org.uk/files/2009/02/labo...xposed-new.jpg

    :rolleyes:
    Oh dear. Lol. Well that's to say I didn't find it there. I actually saw it posted on a blog for someone from 'Liberty' (:lolwut:) and searched for it in Google Images.
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    The fact that Necessarily Benevolent has a picture from the BNP website in his sig, and has defended the BNP up to the hilt in pretty much every thread on the issue, in no way indicates that he sympathises with them, or may in fact support them.

    Blates :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    Oh dear. Lol. Well that's to say I didn't find it there. I actually saw it posted on a blog for someone from 'Liberty' () and searched for it in Google Images.
    Of course...

    Except when you pasted it into your sig, you would have had to enter that URL. Fail, NB :nn:

    (Original post by foxo)
    How about nouveau fascists then? Has that term been coined yet?
    Well the majority of the leadership could certainly be termed neo Nazis...
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    (Original post by CandyFlipper)
    Not that I know of: but "national socialists" has all the appropiate connotations and is appropiate for the BNP as they're obviously nationalists but are also economically socialists.
    True. But then Stalin and Mao could be accurately described as 'national socialists' too despite being diametrically opposed to Nazism so...:dontknow:
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    True. But then Stalin and Mao could be accurately described as 'national socialists' too despite being diametrically opposed to Nazism so...:dontknow:
    I guess, but they're just communists - I don't think the BNP are anything like as economically left as Stalin with his policy on collectivism, for example.

    I'd personally stick to the label national socialist for nazis and the bnp, and communist for Mr Stalin and Mao.
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    Good speech I thought.
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    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    The fact that Necessarily Benevolent has a picture from the BNP website in his sig, and has defended the BNP up to the hilt in pretty much every thread on the issue, in no way indicates that he sympathises with them, or may in fact support them.

    Blates :rolleyes:
    Hardly, when I've actually shown you to be completely illogical for attacking them on nothing evidence.

    And that I didn't actually get that from the BNP website anyway.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    True. But then Stalin and Mao could be accurately described as 'national socialists' too despite being diametrically opposed to Nazism so...:dontknow:
    The BNP are simply neo-Nazis. Undeniable FACT.

    Anyone who supports them is simply a racist bigoted fool. FACT.

    Grow up.
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    (Original post by Hopelessly Hopeful)
    The BNP are simply neo-Nazis. Undeniable FACT.

    Anyone who supports them is simply a racist bigoted fool. FACT.

    Grow up.
    Wow. How constructive, complete and irrefutable. And you tell me to grow up. LOL.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    Hardly, when I've actually shown you to be completely illogical for attacking them on nothing evidence.

    And that I didn't actually get that from the BNP website anyway.
    NB, here's a lesson, you didn't actually prove me wrong about anything, you merely asserted it. The point still stands that the BNP have had high up party members (for instance regional organisers) with convictions for assault, ABH, petrol bombing houses etc etc. The fact that a couple of Labour Party members out of a membership of hundreds of thousands happened to be sick ****s who molested children is irrelevent, given the fact that it's a comparatively small incident relative to the party size.

    I'm somewhat tempted to post those links to far right groups involving senior members of the BNP, I would have posted them last night had I not almost got all the way through before accidentally closing the window.

    And, as Democracy said, you would have been aware of the origin of that picture when you entered the URL. So even if you didn't get it off their website, you knew it was from there.
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    (Original post by Hopelessly Hopeful)
    The BNP are simply neo-Nazis. Undeniable FACT.

    Anyone who supports them is simply a racist bigoted fool. FACT.

    Grow up.
    It's exactly this kind of belligerent dogma towards the BNP that turns sympathisers into voters, voters into members and members into passionate campaigners. In being so aggressive you're making this into a battle, and you're making them more determined to 'win' so to speak.

    Not to mention how much it raises their profile and puts them in the spotlight, and additionally makes some people sympathise for them - because they ARE a democratic party, and nearly a million people just voted for them - so how about you show some respect for peoples right to choose, and actually debate them sensibly and fairly like for any other party you disagree with?

    (Note that I am a paying member of liberty, so I oppose the BNP both economically and socially, I'm not saying the above because I like or support the BNP.)
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    Wow. How constructive, complete and irrefutable. And you tell me to grow up. LOL.
    The completeness of my post could be implied by any idiot out there.

    If you're a BNP supporter - an acne-ridden, bigoted, fugly white supremacist - then you really do need to grow up.
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    (Original post by CandyFlipper)
    It's exactly this kind of belligerent dogma towards the BNP that turns sympathisers into voters, voters into members and members into passionate campaigners. In being so aggressive you're making this into a battle, and you're making them more determined to 'win' so to speak.

    Not to mention how much it raises their profile and puts them in the spotlight, and additionally makes some people sympathise for them - because they ARE a democratic party, and nearly a million people just voted for them - so how about you show some respect for peoples right to choose, and actually debate them sensibly and fairly like for any other party you disagree with?

    (Note that I am a paying member of liberty, so I oppose the BNP both economically and socially, I'm not saying the above because I like or support the BNP.)
    Debating my views calmly and rationably with hormonal, acne-ridden freaks won't ever lead them to realisation. I have to be tough - not neccessarily for the calmer, educated, older population though.
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    (Original post by Hopelessly Hopeful)
    Debating my views calmly and rationably with hormonal, acne-ridden freaks won't ever lead them to realisation. I have to be tough - not neccessarily for the calmer, educated, older population though.
    Well right now you're displaying all the negative qualities that makes me oppose the BNP in the first place, you're being no better than them.

    Of course BNP voters can be debated with calmly and rationally, most are simply misguided and by calmly dismantling their economic policy, for example, you can quickly sway them towards other parties.

    People have the right to hold an opinion that is not the same as yours though, ultimately, deal with it.

    p.s. how acne and national socialism correlate in anyway is beyond me ...
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    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    NB, here's a lesson, you didn't actually prove me wrong about anything, you merely asserted it. The point still stands that the BNP have had high up party members (for instance regional organisers) with convictions for assault, ABH, petrol bombing houses etc etc. The fact that a couple of Labour Party members out of a membership of hundreds of thousands happened to be sick ****s who molested children is irrelevent, given the fact that it's a comparatively small incident relative to the party size.
    You're just living in complete ignorance. They were councillors, MPs, and candidates, convicted for a range of offences. Who knows how many convictions there are in the entire Labour Party? And, the thing is, they're all irrelevent anyway because they've all been sacked. I've conceded my position somewhat, why can't you do the same?

    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    And, as Democracy said, you would have been aware of the origin of that picture when you entered the URL.
    What? I wouldn't even have used it if I thought it came from their website. The first hit with the Labour on Google Images was from the guy's blog if I recall. Just looked and neither are there now.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    What? I wouldn't even have used it if I thought it came from their website. The first hit with the Labour on Google Images was from the guy's blog if I recall. Just looked and neither are there now.
    No it wasn't, because if it was from a blog it would look something like this:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_b6nQxGini7...%5B1911%5D.JPG

    That URL was short and concise, and came directly from the BNP website. Please, NB :hand:
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    No it wasn't, because if it was from a blog it would look something like this:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_b6nQxGini7...%5B1911%5D.JPG

    That URL was short and concise, and came directly from the BNP website. Please, NB :hand:
    Do you really think I wouldn't admit to using an unrelated satirical picture from their website considering everything else? I'd have no problem in admitting it. The Labour version wasn't even done by them.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    Do you really think I wouldn't admit to using an unrelated satirical picture from their website considering everything else? I'd have no problem in admitting it. The Labour version wasn't even done by them.
    No, but you cannot deny that it comes directly from their website, because that's the link which you pasted into your sig. If it were from a blog it would look different. That's the facts I'm afraid, you can't argue with them.
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    (Original post by necessarily benevolent)
    You're just living in complete ignorance. They were councillors, MPs, and candidates, convicted for a range of offences. Who knows how many convictions there are in the entire Labour Party? And, the thing is, they're all irrelevent anyway because they've all been sacked. I've conceded my position somewhat, why can't you do the same?
    Because as I've said, many of those in the BNP guilty of these offences are still in the party. As I have also said, given the scale of the party, the odd freak is unsurprising. The BNP are a different kettle of fish altogether considering their smaller membership and the fact that these people are still in the party for the most part.

    Out of interest, where did you get that data from? I got mine from the BBC, I'm willing to bet your source was less innocuous.


    (Original post by Democracy)
    No it wasn't, because if it was from a blog it would look something like this:

    http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_b6nQxGini7...%5B1911%5D.JPG

    That URL was short and concise, and came directly from the BNP website. Please, NB
    Necessarily Benevolent just got owned
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    (Original post by Democracy)
    No, but you cannot deny that it comes directly from their website, because that's the link which you pasted into your sig. If it were from a blog it would look different. That's the facts I'm afraid, you can't argue with them.
    But I didn't paste that link into my sig. If I had I wouldn't have any qualms about admitting it anyway, due to the fact that it's hardly BNP-exclusive, and could support this.
 
 
 

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