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    (Original post by Bax-man)
    It's bad economics. Many will have also suffered from it.
    Bad economics or not, ordinary people, today, are able to earn a decent amount of money; something which I imagine would have been difficult in the 80s. Why? Thanks to the NMW. :yep:
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    (Original post by Snookercraze)
    No. From most people who I've spoken to about the Tory governments, like teachers.
    For future reference, teachers are usually very left-wing. As is anyone who works for the government, funnily enough.
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    (Original post by Snookercraze)
    No, just my normal school teachers. Not a single one had any praise for the Tory governments.
    So public sector workers didn't like a party who are for a smaller state? Where's the suprise?

    If the general public thought they were that terrible don't you think they might have voted against them during the 80s or before 97?

    Or ya be trolling?
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    (Original post by Snookercraze)
    Bad economics or not, ordinary people, today, are able to earn a decent amount of money; something which I imagine would have been difficult in the 80s. Why? Thanks to the NMW. :yep:
    Would it not be also fair to say, though, that it has created a class of destitute poor who have remained unemployed due to their services not having the same value as the NMW and who are thus unemployable, in turn becoming wards of the state dependent on welfare?
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    I feel that my life has been limited by a Labour government. I like a lack of rules and regulation.
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    (Original post by Snookercraze)
    Although some of us would have lived under a Tory government, we are far too young to recall how it was to live under them. However, from accounts of various people, the general consensus was that life was hard and unfair.

    However, we all have lived under a Labour government for the last 12 years, and so I ask you, how have you, personally, lost out? And what have you benefitted from?
    I have watched some of your posts in the last year or so and you are obviously an ardent Labour supporter. Personally, I have gained little from the Labour government of the last 12 years but I think this whole nation has gained from the neo-Liberal economic policies pioneered by the Thatcher government.

    What was it Mrs Thatcher said when asked what her legacy was? New Labour.

    It was this government which promised to abolish boom and bust, and we are in the deepest recession this country has ever seen, how could anyone with even a shread of economic knowledge boldly claim to have abolished economic cycles? Ive never studied economics but even I know that the economy works in cycles of roughly seven years.

    Lets move on to some different issues. The European Constitution, this government promised the people of this country a decision on whether to accept the Constitution. This was in their 2005 Election Manifesto, and what did the government do? arrogantly signed the Lisbon treaty without consulting the British public, which they promised to do. Im personally not against the treaty, what I am against is the totally lack of respect this government has for the electorate.

    Lets move on once more to the jewel in the crown of New Labour, the NHS. I actually think alot of good has been done with the NHS however this has been at a cost (literally, ill mention that in a sec). Waiting times is something that the government always crow on about. It is great that waiting times have been cut, I think we will all agree on that, but does the government realise that waiting times cannot be slashed and funding to GP's and to doctors on call reduced? The increased workload on A&E departments across the country has become ridiculous, because waiting times are so short, people are more willing to visit their A&E departments instead of waiting to see a GP, some of this take up these departments are not able to cater for. Targets are another ridiculous and totally bad thing this government has introduced, this government works with statistics like percentage of patients treated within 4 hrs or no of MRSA cases, what they should be measuring and assessing is how many MRSA cases were cured, not how many people were infected, outcomes should be measured.

    And finally, the piece de resistance to demonstrate that the grass isnt greener under a Labour government. Public spending. I guess you have seen the graph showing the increases of public spending. Individuals are forced to pay higher levels of taxation than every before and what answer does the public get when people claim that they are being taxed too much "We've reduced VAT by 2.5%" what they dont mention is the massive increase in National Insurance, Council Tax and Income tax since 1997. I love the way that whenever mentions Mrs Thatcher, some smart ass says 'poll tax' what that person does not realise the massive increases in taxation since 1997, it is criminal.

    Labour dont give a damn about an individuals earning, gone are the days when one is able to work harder for a better life, under this government u are restricted by increased taxation at higher levels, penalised by a 'positive discrimination' bill, caught on CCTV at least 30 times a day and the incentives not to work are lucrative.

    Labour still isnt working.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    So public sector workers didn't like a party who are for a smaller state? Where's the suprise?

    If the general public thought they were that terrible don't you think they might have voted against them during the 80s or before 97?

    Or ya be trolling?
    I'm trolling. :rolleyes:
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    Minimum wage benefited my family - my mum used to work in a factory from 7am til 5pm every day and would get £50 for two days work... she also had to work until a week or so before my brother was born because they didn't offer maternity leave or anything and she NEEDED to earn to feed us etc :dontknow: I'd say for families like us we are a lot better off with a labour govt...
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    (Original post by davireland)
    It was this government which promised to abolish boom and bust, and we are in the deepest recession this country has ever seen, how could anyone with even a shread of economic knowledge boldly claim to have abolished economic cycles? Ive never studied economics but even I know that the economy works in cycles of roughly seven years.
    I'm sorry, that is the biggest pile of poo I've ever seen you write. The Depression of the interwar period lasted for 20 years! We've been in "recession" for about 18 months. That's shorter than most of the Thatcherite dips.

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    Benefits:

    1) Welsh Assembly

    From this most of the benefits I've seen have stemmed, such as:

    1) Abolition of prescription charges
    2) Improvements in Education & Welsh-medium education
    3) Settling the neglect of Wales by London-centric bureaucrat

    Negatives:

    1) Increase in authoritarian attitudes
    2) Increase in Conservatism (nay, Thatcherism) of the young
    3) Devaluing of non-degreed people in their 40s
    4) Strengthening of the London Consensus

    I could go on.
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    (Original post by jacketpotato)
    Rubbish. The only bad economics comes from those who try to directly apply the simple supply/demand analysis of commodity markets to labour markets. In the labour market there is an awful lot of leeway as to what people are paid. Employers have control at the bottom end of the labour market: its a unique market because supply always exceeds demand, and supply remains pretty fixed.

    The evidence is that the NMW had negligible effects on unemployment - I don't think its correct to say many suffered from it.
    Firstly, here's an example. It is, admittedly, a little far fetched but demonstrates the point. Person A dropped out of school at 12, and is unable to read or write and as a result has few skills, if any. They are long-term unemployed. Would it not be fair to say that at least part of the reason they are unemployed is that the skills they offer are not worth 5 GBP or so per hour that they would be legally obliged to receive? Surely if they could be paid 1 GBP per hour then an employer may be able to employ this person for a profit? Of course the state could 'top-up' this wage if it proved desirable.

    Secondly, surely it is the right of the employer to offer whatever wage her or she deems fit, and the right of an employee to accept that wage?
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    I'm sorry, that is the biggest pile of poo I've ever seen you write. The Depression of the interwar period lasted for 20 years! We've been in "recession" for about 18 months. That's shorter than most of the Thatcherite dips.
    I wasnt talking about length, but depth. Has Labour abolished Boom and Bust?
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    well seeing the amount of "i cant get a summer job" threads i'd say that is a negative.
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    (Original post by davireland)
    I have watched some of your posts in the last year or so and you are obviously an ardent Labour supporter. Personally, I have gained little from the Labour government of the last 12 years but I think this whole nation has gained from the neo-Liberal economic policies pioneered by the Thatcher government.

    What was it Mrs Thatcher said when asked what her legacy was? New Labour.

    It was this government which promised to abolish boom and bust, and we are in the deepest recession this country has ever seen, how could anyone with even a shread of economic knowledge boldly claim to have abolished economic cycles? Ive never studied economics but even I know that the economy works in cycles of roughly seven years.

    Lets move on to some different issues. The European Constitution, this government promised the people of this country a decision on whether to accept the Constitution. This was in their 2005 Election Manifesto, and what did the government do? arrogantly signed the Lisbon treaty without consulting the British public, which they promised to do. Im personally not against the treaty, what I am against is the totally lack of respect this government has for the electorate.

    Lets move on once more to the jewel in the crown of New Labour, the NHS. I actually think alot of good has been done with the NHS however this has been at a cost (literally, ill mention that in a sec). Waiting times is something that the government always crow on about. It is great that waiting times have been cut, I think we will all agree on that, but does the government realise that waiting times cannot be slashed and funding to GP's and to doctors on call reduced? The increased workload on A&E departments across the country has become ridiculous, because waiting times are so short, people are more willing to visit their A&E departments instead of waiting to see a GP, some of this take up these departments are not able to cater for. Targets are another ridiculous and totally bad thing this government has introduced, this government works with statistics like percentage of patients treated within 4 hrs or no of MRSA cases, what they should be measuring and assessing is how many MRSA cases were cured, not how many people were infected, outcomes should be measured.

    And finally, the piece de resistance to demonstrate that the grass isnt greener under a Labour government. Public spending. I guess you have seen the graph showing the increases of public spending. Individuals are forced to pay higher levels of taxation than every before and what answer does the public get when people claim that they are being taxed too much "We've reduced VAT by 2.5%" what they dont mention is the massive increase in National Insurance, Council Tax and Income tax since 1997. I love the way that whenever mentions Mrs Thatcher, some smart ass says 'poll tax' what that person does not realise the massive increases in taxation since 1997, it is criminal.

    Labour dont give a damn about an individuals earning, gone are the days when one is able to work harder for a better life, under this government u are restricted by increased taxation at higher levels, penalised by a 'positive discrimination' bill, caught on CCTV at least 30 times a day and the incentives not to work are lucrative.

    Labour still isnt working.
    This recession would have occured, regardless. And you obviously do not know your economic history to claim that this recession is the worse this country has seen. There is alot more gibberish in that post, I must add. :rolleyes:
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    Lost: My dad got taxed more and then lost his job.
    Gained: Nothing, thanks to being middle-class.
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    (Original post by davireland)
    I wasnt talking about length, but depth. Has Labour abolished Boom and Bust?
    Depth? You want to talk about depth. Okay: how's about 75% unemployment in numerous districts across County Durham, South Wales, Western Scotland. How's about state enforced means testing which removed state support from the most needy. That's the true depth of the interwar depression. This is only talked up in the Right Wing press as "deep" because some bankers lost their jobs at the beginning. It is gross revisionism to describe this as anything more than a more severe contraction that has been seen in thirty years. You insult the thousands of ordinary working families who spent years on the doll in the twenties and thirties by calling this "the deepest recession ever".

    And as for abolishing boom and bust? Well, depends on what you take boom and bust to mean. But no, they have not. But then, soundbites are soundbites. Only fools believe the meaning that politicians pour into them.
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    I shan't retaliate to some of the points the OP and others have made, I really can't be bothered.

    One point; have you noticed how the good things listed are socialist tripe rather than something that Labour has done that has actually benefited Freedom of Information Act!
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    Well, I got into a private school the year that the number of subsidised places had been slashed from 14 to 5 by the government. They had changed the admissions policy to give the top five girls in the exam and I came sixth. Maybe my life would have taken a different turn if I'd been able to go, maybe not. But it still annoys me that if a private education is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO good, why would the left wing government lower the number of free places available when the right wing government (supposedly only interested in the rich, and blow everyone else), had left well alone?
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    (Original post by Snookercraze)
    This recession would have occured, regardless. And you obviously do not know your economic history to claim that this recession is the worse this country has seen. :rolleyes:
    "TUC General Secretary Brendan Barber has no doubt that this is the worst recession in 60 years."

    (SOURCE: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8127248.stm)

    You know its bad when a TUC officials (someone who has a vested interested in praising the Labour party) is saying its pretty bad.
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