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Socialism has never worked in any country and at any time in history Watch

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    So why are people still stupid enough to believe in it?
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    I love you, OP :3
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    REP!!!!! You are win
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    :rolleyes: The whole 'intelligent debate' thing seems to be escaping you, somewhat. Plus we've had about 5000 threads with pretty much exactly the same title.
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    Cuba?
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    Cuba?
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    If Che hadn't been killed by the CIA...
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    Attlee's Government was kinda socialist..well revisionist socialism since they were using the government to redistribute wealth through tax and creating the NHS and welfare state... And that worked for 20 years or something until that recession occurred in the 1970's... But personally I don't think one system works all the time, there always has to be changed, I mean all the bailouts we had in the past 2-3 years was deviating from the previous era of private enterprise and so forth and moving more towards the idea of nationalisation which was a core idea of Revised Socialism in the late 1940's - 1960's...
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    (Original post by Yawn-er)
    If Che hadn't been killed by the CIA...
    We are efficient in the us at that
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    Libertarian Socialism in Spain

    Libertarian Socialism in the Ukraine

    Government in Hungary following the 1956 revolution

    Chile under Salvador Allende

    Kibbutz in Israel


    It is worth noting that all of these, bar the last example, were crushed by force from external sources (or internal forces abetted by external ones) who were terrified that these forms of socialism would succeed. :yep:
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    The OP's debates on socialism are always so profound :lolwut:
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    Well, most of Europe is at least partially socialist, France, Scandinavia...very successful countries. Socialism is a pretty wide church and just because the USSR and the like failed (after half a century) you can't say it doesn't work in its entirety.
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    (Original post by Texan88)
    We are efficient in the us at that
    Unpleasantly so.

    Che's diaries and his huge biography provide some revelations about the US government's power. I'd never actually realised that they were capable of wielding that much power and influencing other governments so drastically.

    Should just refer to the majority of developing countries as extensions of America.
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    (Original post by T-o dore)
    Cuba?
    Why don't socialists move there if it worked so well? They don't becaause it hasn't: thousands of Cubans escape to the US, not the other way round.

    Cuba's wages used to be among the world's highest.[5] According to International Labor Organization, the average industrial salary in Cuba was the world's 8th highest - $6 US dollars per 8-hour work day in 1958. [16] 62% of those employed lived on less than $75 a month, whereas today almost everyone lives on about $20 a month.

    Wikipedia; interesting to read the "History". It seems that Cuba was becoming very successful until the communist / socialist regime started.
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    Well there are many flaws with a capitalist system aswell - it is by no means a perfect system - and at the moment i think lots of people are becoming aware of this
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    So why are people still stupid enough to believe in it?
    Did it not work with the USSR? They were a force to be reckoned with during the Cold War era.

    I don't see how Russia, today, are better off than how they were in the height of the socialist era.
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    (Original post by PGtips92)
    Why don't socialists move there if it worked so well? They don't becaause it hasn't: thousands of Cubans escape to the US, not the other way round.

    Cuba's wages used to be among the world's highest.[5] According to International Labor Organization, the average industrial salary in Cuba was the world's 8th highest - $6 US dollars per 8-hour work day in 1958. [16] 62% of those employed lived on less than $75 a month, whereas today almost everyone lives on about $20 a month.

    Wikipedia; interesting to read the "History". It seems that Cuba was becoming very successful until the communist / socialist regime started.
    So you base 'success' on the average wage? Surely the fact that the wages have indeed been universalized means that the socialist principle has worked? I saw a documentary about the country and people in general seem contented, although I certainly would not want to live there.
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    Socialism has never been tried, forget the pseudo-socialist, crypto-fascist, twentieth century "socialist" they were wicked distortions of pure Marxism, and one day, the workers WILL become concious of their expolitation, and they will rise up with chains of solidarity, and crush the beorgious state in the name of peace , social justice and humanity....

    I can't be bothered.

    Seriously, its probably because capitalism is just too flippin abominable, so please say no more and leave me to mourn for my dreamy Utopianism...
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    (Original post by T-o dore)
    Cuba?
    Ever been?
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    (Original post by Snookercraze)
    Did it not work with the USSR?
    No! It lasted a long time, but under the ruthless hands of Lenin and Stalin it brought the deaths of millions (R Conquest says 20 million under Stalin alone). In its destructive and unconstructive nature, and in the fact that the Marxist utopia was never achieved, socialism failed in the USSR. One could argue, moreover, that it was never really imposed, as Stalin/Krushchev/Lenin's reigns were probably more autocratic than the Tsars had been before them.
 
 
 
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