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    (Original post by Titch89)
    I suggest you google Prader-Willi syndrome and underactive thyroid...



    Smokers and drinkers do - it's called tax.:rolleyes:
    Everyone pays tax. :rolleyes: Say you spend £10 000 on cigarettes, and you end up having a stroke, come out of hospital after two weeks and end up going back in again. Sooner or later all the complications and healthcare costs will be more than the tax paid. What if someone gets cancer? Pallative care costs will be huge. Is this so difficult to comprehend? :confused:

    I wasn't saying that all genetic issues are not currently paid for...
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    (Original post by addylad)
    Everyone pays tax. :rolleyes: Say you spend £10 000 on cigarettes, and you end up having a stroke, come out of hospital after two weeks and end up going back in again. Sooner or later all the complications and healthcare costs will be more than the tax paid. What if someone gets cancer? Pallative care costs will be huge. Is this so difficult to comprehend? :confused:

    I wasn't saying that all genetic issues are not currently paid for...
    Smokers collectively pay for all their health care and many other people's in the specific tax that only smokers pay. Read the rest of the thread!
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    Smokers:

    If you don't like them, join them.
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    (Original post by Vokes)
    Smokers bring in more money via tax than they cost the NHS,
    That is still debated, I think.
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    The NHS would collapse without smokers, or else they'd need to find some other way of being able to fill a black hole worth billions. I think they're more than entitled to free health care for their, admittedly, unhealthy lifestyle choice.
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    (Original post by L i b)
    Virtually every illness can be in some way connected to chosen behaviour.
    But some behaviour is unhealthy and has known adverse health effects.

    You might get heart disease when you're older - now perhaps you could have averted that from going out and doing exercise instead of posting on TSR. Hence, essentially, you have contributed to your illness.
    Perhaps I am taking a rest from exercise. It is actually during rest that muscle recovers after being damaged from exercise. Muscles repair themselves and become stronger and larger. Hence, your habit of contradicting everything in a chosen post is completely irrelevant.

    People smoke because they want to. As Hume pointed out, pretending to be somehow able to analyse a hierarchy of human desires is completely idiotic.

    I smoke (well, I haven't for a few weeks, but I am still a smoker) because I enjoy it. What other 'good reason' could you possibly want?
    I wouldn't expect anything more from most smokers. You talk about the fact that I am contributing to my illness above, but don't you think lecturing me about not exercising 24/7 is a little hyprocritical? For a start, you have a habit which can lead to known health issues. It's not a coincidence. There are actually plenty of good reasons not to smoke. You are trying to justify a known factor in heart disease with, 'I enjoy it'. Not smoking saves money, improves health, etc.

    Yeah, but who'd want to socialise with them?
    You haven't once considered the possibility of giving up, which would give you a much larger span of people to socialise with. Notice how many places have signs which say 'no smoking' but I haven't yet seen a sign which says 'no non-smokers'. I don't socialise with smokers because of the smell, the withdrawal symptoms and the passive smoking.

    Are you admitting, then, that most non-smokers do not want to socialise with smokers? Perhaps you should try quitting.

    Good. Can't come quick enough.
    The NHS has saved many lives... :rolleyes:
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    We should not take away the right smokers have to use the NHS, but the government should at some point, inject more money into eye care so people like me won't have to bankrupt themselves to fund a new pair of glasses. :hmmm:
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    (Original post by nolongerhearthemusic)
    Smokers collectively pay for all their health care and many other people's in the specific tax that only smokers pay. Read the rest of the thread!
    I have read it, and the stats are not conclusive enough as at least one other poster has mentioned! You read the thread, get some good statistics and come back with a better argument. We don't need smokers' money anyway.

    You're also trying to explain smoking's affect on the NHS in monetry terms, when the actual point of the NHS was and is to save lives. Think of how many hospital beds smokers take up on a yearly basis. Think of all the staff and doctors devoted to smokers.

    I wouldn't be surprised if you smoke and/or most of your family.
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    in Scotland sight tests are free and depending on your situation you can get help towards the cost of your glasses
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    why should i pay for your glasses? you're not exactly going to die without them.
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    (Original post by addylad)
    I have read it, and the stats are not conclusive enough as at least one other poster has mentioned! You read the thread, get some good statistics and come back with a better argument. We don't need smokers' money anyway.
    The only stats we have are the money made from taxes on cigarettes and several estimates at the amount that smoking costs the NHS per year. The highest estimate I can find of the money that smoking costs the NHS is half of the amount made from taxes.

    You're also trying to explain smoking's affect on the NHS in monetry terms, when the actual point of the NHS was and is to save lives. Think of how many hospital beds smokers take up on a yearly basis. Think of all the staff and doctors devoted to smokers.
    Or, y'know, think about the amount of doctors and beds that smokers are paying for, besides their own.

    I wouldn't be surprised if you smoke and/or most of your family.
    What exactly are you basing that on?
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    (Original post by rich2606)
    why should i pay for your glasses? you're not exactly going to die without them.
    You tried having poor eye sight and living without glasses? Wearing no glasses = headaches and makes everything blurry.
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    We should just adopt the American way of health care.
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    (Original post by addylad)
    I have read it, and the stats are not conclusive enough as at least one other poster has mentioned! You read the thread, get some good statistics and come back with a better argument. We don't need smokers' money anyway.

    You're also trying to explain smoking's affect on the NHS in monetry terms, when the actual point of the NHS was and is to save lives. Think of how many hospital beds smokers take up on a yearly basis. Think of all the staff and doctors devoted to smokers.

    I wouldn't be surprised if you smoke and/or most of your family.
    If you want to carry on believing that then do so. Smokers already get taxed more than their fare share. The least they are entitled to is health care. The point in the NHS is to save lives without discrimination. The life of a smoker is not worth any less or more than the life of anybody else.
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    (Original post by ChunkymunkyDJC)
    We should just adopt the American way of health care.
    If you were American you wouldn't think so.
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    (Original post by Titch89)
    You tried having poor eye sight and living without glasses? Wearing no glasses = headaches and makes everything blurry.
    Yeah or holding things really close or really far away to see them lol
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    (Original post by ChunkymunkyDJC)
    We should just adopt the American way of health care.
    Or move to Scotland our eye tests are free
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    Er, isn't it the same as paying for prescriptions?
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    (Original post by Malkmus)
    If you were American you wouldn't think so.
    I feel that we spend too much money on people who have caused their own problems and too much on hypochondriacs. I don't want the American system as it is now, as I think paying for things that are life threatening, which aren't caused by avoidable circumstances (i.e. smoking), isn't a good idea, but the general idea of paying for minor things isn't all too bad.
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    (Original post by ChunkymunkyDJC)
    I feel that we spend too much money on people who have caused their own problems and too much on hypochondriacs. I don't want the American system as it is now, as I think paying for things that are life threatening, which aren't caused by avoidable circumstances (i.e. smoking), isn't a good idea.
    What do you propose we do with those that do have disease/illness caused by "avoidable circumstances", as you put it? Leave them to die? Or if they're rich enough to be able to pay their way to treatment then fine, but if they don't have the cash then sod them?
 
 
 
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