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    This seems a strange thing to put on TSR, and I've wondered this for a while, but after reading this story: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...inside-it.html

    I thought I'd post.

    Why do the Police in many areas, buy really expensive cars? In this case it was £40,000 worth, and on many of the BBC/ITV programmes about Police they often drive round in BMWs, Range Rovers and other quite expensive cars.

    Where I live, the police generally drive Astras and Focus, but there are some of the more expensive ones. It was also reported in the local newspaper last month that my Police force write off one patrol car every week.

    I think they should be spending less on cars.
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    Then people moan there not enough police on the roads! Plus these expensive cars are sold to the police in bulk price and most are highly modified for the purpose. As for car's getting wrote off, im guessing this is because they've be following criminals which is their job...
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    In some cases they are able to use vehicles confiscated from criminals who have been sent down.
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    They get insane discounts for a start. Like absolutely massive discounts. Plus, it's generally only traffic police with the BMWs and Range Rovers. They're not able to catch scrotes in Imprezas/Evos if they're using crappy Astras. Your average bobby still gets Astra/Focus, it's only traffic police who get the decent stuff. Can you imagine trying to pursue criminals using 1.6 Astras? Copper wouldn't stand a chance. Were it up to me, I'd give every single Police Class I driver an RS6...
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    the police also sell the cars that haven't been written off into private hands after whatever years/miles so they get some money back for that
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    They get massive discounts, absolutely HUGE. Not just because the amount they're buying, or for the purpose, but how prestigous would a car company feel with a fleet of police cars? They're highly tuned as cars these days are pretty powerful. A lot of the cost comes from the police modifications.
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    It was a traffic car, so it's bound to cost more than the average 1.3 diesel Astra that are used for normal patrol/response work. Plus, this BMW is cheap compared to the New Evos some forces are buying!

    I don't see why police forces should be spending less on cars, they're already saving money by purchasing the sluggish Astras.
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    (Original post by Sync)
    Were it up to me, I'd give every single Police Class I driver an RS6...
    And I'm presuming, well hoping, you'd fund that yourself and not by using taxpayers money.

    If police were racing criminals, fair enough. But to chase and stop one, you don't need swarms of fast cars, half a dozen Ford Focus' should be enough to stop some crappy driver in an Impreza or w/e. I'm not saying don't buy any decent/expensive cars but there's no need for pretty much every traffic cop to be driving around in a 5 series... I'll probably get a bit of stick for saying this, but buy them Renaultsport Clio's instead which are a third of the price! :P

    Traffic wombles driving expensive 4x4s is a joke too. Obviously they need some for the occasional accident that requires that much pulling power now and then but you see parking lots of 20 Toyota LandCruisers, Nissan Pathfinders etc. Why!?

    As for bulk discounts, I don't know so can't comment although I wouldn't have imagined they'd be that big. Nevertheless, if someone finds rough figures, it'd be interesting to see.
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    Maybe the reliability of a Renault doesn't match a Beemer? No need to wonder why the SD1s didn't hang around for long either.
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    (Original post by TheV)
    And I'm presuming, well hoping, you'd fund that yourself and not by using taxpayers money.

    If police were racing criminals, fair enough. But to chase and stop one, you don't need swarms of fast cars, half a dozen Ford Focus' should be enough to stop some crappy driver in an Impreza or w/e. I'm not saying don't buy any decent/expensive cars but there's no need for pretty much every traffic cop to be driving around in a 5 series... I'll probably get a bit of stick for saying this, but buy them Renaultsport Clio's instead which are a third of the price! :P

    Traffic wombles driving expensive 4x4s is a joke too. Obviously they need some for the occasional accident that requires that much pulling power now and then but you see parking lots of 20 Toyota LandCruisers, Nissan Pathfinders etc. Why!?

    As for bulk discounts, I don't know so can't comment although I wouldn't have imagined they'd be that big. Nevertheless, if someone finds rough figures, it'd be interesting to see.
    Haha, you REALLY think some Ford Focuses could stop some of the cars that criminals drive? They may be bad drivers yes but let them loose on a motorway and they'll just put their foot down and not stop. I don't think you realise the lengths a criminal will go to to evade police; a handful of Astras and Focuses just aren't quick enough or handle well enough. The Volvos that a lot of the traffic cops drive seem to be a good compromise. Tuned enough that they're fast but balanced by quality and reliability.
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    Traffic Police have Volvo V70 T5s

    Big High Output Turbos
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    For a start the police get large discounts on the vehicles, but it's not the initial price that decides which vehicle they buy.

    All of the other costs are taken into account, repairs, availibility and cost of spare parts, and so forth..

    The vehicles need to be suited to their role as well. You wont find any force operating a BMW, Lexus etc as a normal response car. The more expensive vehicles are on the most part, high power, and have specific roles..

    The BMW above for example is (was) a vehicle from the Roads Policing Unit, and is therefore a designated pursuit management vehicle. It needs to be able to deal with pursuits, so no point having a 1.6 Astra Diesal..

    Most forces have some form of Road Crime Unit, which use vehicles the public may percieve to be a waste of money, however they are far from it..

    *second edit* - They use larger vehicles to carry the required equipment. Find me a Cliosport that can carry 2 officers kit bags, containing waterproofs, fleeces, hat, forms, food, torches, as well as firstaid kits, all assorted signage, cones, fire extinguishers, and other essentials for dealing with RTCs You will find often the vehicles carry so much the officer kit has to live on the rear seats of the vehicles in cars such as the V70s...

    Humberside Police for example operates its' RCU with a Lexus IS-F, which, including the list price discount, and all the police extras, came in at circa £72,000. This is the ONLY IS-F used by police in the entire UK, and is used as the command vehicle for the RCU. They also operate 2 Mitsubushi Evolution X's, and several BMW 3 series specially converted to carry the units furry exocets.

    That may initially seem a waste, but you need to bear in mind the unit deals specifically with criminals using the road, such as drug dealers, and generally nasty people. They often end up in pursuits where they need the power and handling of these high performance vehicles to contain and end the pursuit SAFELY.

    ALl UK police vehicles have to be approved by the home office before use, and forces often face scrutiny for the choice of their vehicles, but can you put a price on catching a multi-million pound drug dealer?

    The units that use the expensive vehciles often yield high results, which is proof they are needed

    *edit* - to add no matter what your mate Dave down the pub says, very few UK police vehicles actually recieve any form of power upgrade/tuning, and this includes the V70 T5s, 5 Series, Octavia VRs' and so forth. Most however do recieve uprated suspension, alternators, second batteries etc to allow them to operate as effective platforms for dealing with crime
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    Grr, I did edit it but didn't work..

    Find me a Cliosport or other car that has the same power and acceleration etc that can also carry all the kit.. generally 2 officers kit bags, containing jackets, hi vis, fleece, hat, food, forms, torch, etc along with all the signs, cones, lighting, first aid kit, fire extinguisher and so forth that is needed for dealing with a RTC.

    Most cars end up having the officers kit on the back seats as their is such little room in the boot for all the kit, including V70s.

    Could for eg a Cliosport carry all this, plus related emergency warning equipment, and 2 officers without going overloaded??? No, there are very good reasons why the police use the vehicles they do!

    They also need to be reliable, and safe travelling at circa 140mph which happens quite often en-route to traffic shouts on the motorway etc
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    On a side note, that is the Liberty Stadium in the background (the white roof can be seen) :p:
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    Traffic cops need fast cars, to keep up with what the criminals are driving, simple as that. The normal bobby runs around in the cheap Diesel Astra, but Traffic cops usually have some high performance metal - Oktavia vRS's and big Volvos are the cars of choice round here.
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    I have often thought this too OP. It is very unnecessary IMAO. Obviously I understand they can't have ******** to chase all the badmen, but still M3s and Range Rovers?? Methinks not.
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    (Original post by Nick.J)
    It was a traffic car, so it's bound to cost more than the average 1.3 diesel Astra that are used for normal patrol/response work. Plus, this BMW is cheap compared to the New Evos some forces are buying!

    I don't see why police forces should be spending less on cars, they're already saving money by purchasing the sluggish Astras.
    No mate.
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    They have E39 530Ds and 525i 's in london as normal responce cars.

    They are everywhere.

    Here they have Octavia VRS, Volvo V70s and Humble MK1.5 Focus 1.4 CLs

    Oh and an undercover Rover 75 V8 tourer :/
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    I think a Focus RS could do a decent job.
    Especially considering the list price is about half that of said BMW, so discounts would make it cheaper. I'm presuming they would get a discount as many forces already use Ford for their cars.

    Also, with the aid of helicopters, and a bit of forward planning, you could probably get away with a slightly less powerful car in catching someone.
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    (Original post by SomeonecalledJohnny)
    They have E39 530Ds and 525i 's in london as normal responce cars.
    No they don't.

    The Met use Vauxhall Astras as IRV's (Incident Response Vehicles) - the ones that are the bread and butter police cars. They use BMW 3 series saloons for most of the area cars (Generally there are one or two area cars per borough. They are crewed by advanced drivers, as apposed to the standard drivers of the astras. They are allowed to pursue if they driver is trained appropriatley, offer higher performace, and attend the more serious incidents as they carry slightly more kit on board).

    Some 3 series estates are used as borough area cars aswell.

    Both of the above replaced the Vectras.

    Some of the outer boroughs use 5 Series estates as area cars as the officer who crew these are fast roads trained, and the cars carry more kit that the normal area cars as they deal with fast roads incidents in place of traffic.

    Some boroughs still use old shape 5 series, though these are going soon, if not gone already.

    CO19 (Specialist Firearms Command) use a mixture of 5 Series as Armed Response Vehicles. These are mostly E60/61, although they have a few E39s knocking about.

    The Diplomatic protection group use similar vehicles to CO19, although they are red.

    CO15 (Traffic Operational Command Unit ) also use 5 Series, again a mixture of E60/61 and a few older E39s knocking about.

    The standard response car of the MET is the Vauxhall Astra. Maybe a few Focus' still about though.

    BTP, MoDP, and CoLP who also operate in London neither use the 5 series as their "standard response cars".

    (Original post by MalcomNewMoney84)
    No mate.
    Some forces, such as Hertspol, Bedspol and TVP use the 1.3 Diesal Astra - Madness I know, but the truth.
 
 
 
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