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    Haha Brown won! Filibuster gone!
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    (Original post by Harris)
    Haha Brown won! Filibuster gone!
    Brown vs. Coakley = Liberty vs. Tyranny
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    Brown vs. Coakley = Liberty vs. Tyranny

    You honestly believe a vote for Brown is a 'vote for freedom'?
    Massachusetts merely voted for the other side of the coin.
    Aren't you being fooled by the same PR move that the Obama-maniacs fell for,the concept of change?



    Also that video is two minites of pure cringe.
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    (Original post by Krakatoa)
    You honestly believe a vote for Brown is a 'vote for freedom'?
    Massachusetts merely voted for the other side of the coin.
    Aren't you being fooled by the same PR move that the Obama-maniacs fell for,the concept of change?

    Also that video is two minites of pure cringe.

    I'm not supporting the concept of change, I'm supporting the concept of liberty. I want to put a stop to an unethical, unaccountable, out-of-control government and the tyranny of one party rule.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    I'm not supporting the concept of change, I'm supporting the concept of liberty. I want to put a stop to an unethical, unaccountable, out-of-control government and the tyranny of one party rule.
    I think your sensationalisng the current state of partisan politics in the US at the moment.
    There aren't many differences between the GOP and the Dems.Superficial ones yes,but in terms in sustaining the concentration of power within society they both have the same goals,which is what really matters.
    I don't think there is a tyranny of one party rule,there is a tyranny of a prevailing consensus by two parties sharing fundamentally the same goals.
    Obama's plans are causing a few ruffles of Wall Street and Capitol Hill,but in terms of redstributing power and wealth he isn't doing anything,if he was he wouldn't of been allowed to through the system to the Presidency.
    You should be more concerned about the whole framework of the American system,not just a meaningless Conservative propaganda campaign against tyranny,because they operate within the same machine.
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    (Original post by Krakatoa)
    I think your sensationalisng the current state of partisan politics in the US at the moment.
    There aren't many differences between the GOP and the Dems.Superficial ones yes,but in terms in sustaining the concentration of power within society they both have the same goals,which is what really matters.
    I don't think there is a tyranny of one party rule,there is a tyranny of a prevailing consensus by two parties sharing fundamentally the same goals.
    Obama's plans are causing a few ruffles of Wall Street and Capitol Hill,but in terms of redstributing power and wealth he isn't doing anything,if he was he wouldn't of been allowed to through the system to the Presidency.
    You should be more concerned about the whole framework of the American system,not just a meaningless Conservative propaganda campaign against tyranny,because they operate within the same machine.
    I don't know why people like to pretend that both parties are the same when there there is clearly a very big difference between the two. That's why they can never agree on anything. One party wants to grow the size and scope of government, increase regulation, take away civil liberties (gun rights), and confiscate private property and wealth from US citizens. The other party wants to limit the power and size of the government and return the power to the people. It's a pretty clear cut case to me of who is on the side of liberty and who is on the side of tyranny.
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    (Original post by Made in the USA)
    I don't know why people like to pretend that both parties are the same when there there is clearly a very big difference between the two. That's why they can never agree on anything. One party wants to grow the size and scope of government, increase regulation, take away civil liberties (gun rights), and confiscate private property and wealth from US citizens. The other party wants to limit the power and size of the government and return the power to the people. It's a pretty clear cut case to me of who is on the side of liberty and who is on the side of tyranny.
    Do you read Ayn Rand? I love her and from what you posted I'd bet you would love her as well.
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    (Original post by Harris)
    Do you read Ayn Rand? I love her and from what you posted I'd bet you would love her as well.
    I haven't, but I know of her. She's definitely on my short list of must-read authors.
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    Arnt people that vote republican just really homophobic too?

    Why would anyone vote for a party that want to take a minoritys rights away, surely thats big step back for america. :confused:
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    Well, if the Republicans were full of people like Ron Paul, they would be awesome
    But there are people like Palin, huckabee, romney, so I don't get it either.
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    To quote Milton Friedman:

    'I am a libertarian with a small "l" and a Republican with a capital "R". And I am a Republican with a capital "R" on grounds of expediency, not on principle.'

    (Original post by waza2010)
    Arnt people that vote republican just really homophobic too?

    Why would anyone vote for a party that want to take a minoritys rights away, surely thats big step back for america. :confused:
    Your logic, good sir, is flawless.

    (Original post by Rogerenden)
    Well, if the Republicans were full of people like Ron Paul, they would be awesome
    But there are people like Palin, huckabee, romney, so I don't get it either.
    The Republicans are a very large party. US politics, even moreso than in the UK, are dominated by two parties and only two parties. Neither political party in the US is dominated by one particular ideology.
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    (Original post by waza2010)
    Arnt people that vote republican just really homophobic too?

    Why would anyone vote for a party that want to take a minoritys rights away, surely thats big step back for america.
    No. You're wrong. The Republicans want to give rights to everyone. The Democrats want to give extra rights to minorities and discriminate against the majority in favour of the minority. They do this through policies like Affirmative Action. The Republicans just want to leave people be.
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    (Original post by JakePearson)
    No. You're wrong. The Republicans want to give rights to everyone. The Democrats want to give extra rights to minorities and discriminate against the majority in favour of the minority. They do this through policies like Affirmative Action. The Republicans just want to leave people be.
    Fox News much?
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    (Original post by Krakatoa)
    Fox News much?
    Never watched it. Reality, mainly.
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    (Original post by JakePearson)
    Never watched it. Reality, mainly.
    They are both just two sides of the same coin,no real differences.
    Republicans? "leave people be"? Am I confusing them with a different party which passed such legislation as the PATRIOT Act? Real beacon of personal freedoms they are...
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    (Original post by Krakatoa)
    They are both just two sides of the same coin,no real differences.
    Republicans? "leave people be"? Am I confusing them with a different party which passed such legislation as the PATRIOT Act? Real beacon of personal freedoms they are...
    Yes, I know, that was ridiculous legislation. The neo-cons that have taken the party over are not real Republicans. If they stuck to the traditional Republican model of limited government and maximum personal freedom, they'd do fine.

    However, as someone pointed out, due to the fact that the whole of the USA has just two major parties, there are many conflicts within each one. Yes, in the Republicans you have the neo-con nutters - but you also have the libertarians etc. who more than make up for them.
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    (Original post by JakePearson)
    Yes, I know, that was ridiculous legislation. The neo-cons that have taken the party over are not real Republicans. If they stuck to the traditional Republican model of limited government and maximum personal freedom, they'd do fine.

    However, as someone pointed out, due to the fact that the whole of the USA has just two major parties, there are many conflicts within each one. Yes, in the Republicans you have the neo-con nutters - but you also have the libertarians etc. who more than make up for them.
    The GOP has been completely hijacked by the neo-cons,and for the forseeable future I can't really see any big role for the right-leaning libertarians,and your average conservative. Instead you have nutjobs like Rush Limbaugh who still have a big say in Republican direction.
    However it was quite encouraging to see Ron Paul win the straw poll at CPAC this year. I mean I don't agree with much of his domestic policies, but it is a step in the right direction away from the neo-cons,as internationally he speaks alot of sense.
    But saying that I still see the Republicans and the Democrats as having the same interests,that is,maintaining the distribution of power within the US,and regardless of who reigns supreme of Capitol Hill,I don't see that changing.
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    Because they enjoy hearing people like President Geroge W. Bush say crap like:

    "Remember, a zebra never loses it's spots."
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    some people are rich and successful and have more to lose than to gain from some of the ******** policies the left wing are trying to peddle at the moment.

    one of my favourite sayings. the problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of someone else money.
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    (Original post by waza2010)
    Arnt people that vote republican just really homophobic too?

    Why would anyone vote for a party that want to take a minoritys rights away, surely thats big step back for america. :confused:
    Minorities rights? How do you figure that? Both parties need minorities to vote for them and both pander to minorities.
 
 
 
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