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    Was watching msuk on itv 4 and what struck me was how young everybody was and so they obviously started karting at a pretty young age as did quite alot of F1 drivers (bar sato who entered karting at 19) and so i was wondering what is the oldest realistic age to get into motor racing?

    EDIT: this is just out of curiosity btw, i'm not trying to start a racing career :p: however quite interested in taking it up as a hobby
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    nearly all the top end race drivers nowadays have been on a development programme since they were in their early teens, if you want to make it in the big time, you need to know the right people, have super talent if your older than average, and have bag loads of money to fund it all. all in all i dont think they average kid has much of a chance unless your dads names Anthony Hamilton
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    You can race at club level at any age so long as you can pass the medical.

    You could, for example buy and build up something like an MG midget to race spec for £12k and then spend only £2k a year racing and enter a championship at the club level.
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    (Original post by Lara C.)
    nearly all the top end race drivers nowadays have been on a development programme since they were in their early teens, if you want to make it in the big time, you need to know the right people, have super talent if your older than average, and have bag loads of money to fund it all. all in all i dont think they average kid has much of a chance unless your dads names Anthony Hamilton
    what about just doing it as a hobby? although if it does take off it doesn't really become a hobby as it can be extremely time consuming (that is if you even make it lol) and also expensive
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    (Original post by abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz)
    what about just doing it as a hobby? although if it does take off it doesn't really become a hobby as it can be extremely time consuming (that is if you even make it lol)
    theres plenty of small leagues you could use, i think the most cost effective would be a classic touring car, with saloon cars made around 1993 should be cheap. however, your still going to need lots of money. racing will never be cheap.

    what makes you want a racing career in the first place?
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    (Original post by Lara C.)
    theres plenty of small leagues you could use, i think the most cost effective would be a classic touring car, with saloon cars made around 1993 should be cheap. however, your still going to need lots of money. racing will never be cheap.

    what makes you want a racing career in the first place?
    nah i'm not wanting to start a racing career i'm just curious A) because it's not realistic and B) the competition would be immense . Would love to do it as part of a hobby if that's possible however.

    Had i been 10 years younger when writing this however i would love to try and take it seriously
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    As a hobby, whenever you want, although obviously the younger you start the better.

    If you want to be an F1 driver, 10 or 11 is probably as late as you can start, although even then you've probably lost 4/5 years on some of your rivals.
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    11 at the very latest if you want to make it to f1. \even then it will be much harder compared to the people who started at 8
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    (Original post by abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz)
    nah i'm not wanting to start a racing career i'm just curious A) because it's not realistic and B) the competition would be immense . Would love to do it as part of a hobby if that's possible however.

    Had i been 10 years younger when writing this however i would love to try and take it seriously
    i share a big passion for racing aswell, in real life i have more money than the average student, but i know i could never afford just the tyres, travelling expenses and safety gear for a season of racing. it really is for kids with wealthy parents.

    as a hobby though, id like to get into carting thats the closest ill ever get to participating in a real racing series :p:

    in the meantime, though, i get by with online racing simulators. now i know what your going to say, but bare with me here. modern sims are highly advanced and even F1 drivers use them for training. at the build up to the racers this year ive seen Nakajima learning a new track on one.

    LFS is the best one out there, the demo is free so its worth a try. heres a good video of a fortunate guy, hes a pretty good driver aswell although i dont like his hand movements http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJQKGLblho
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    (Original post by Lara C.)
    i share a big passion for racing aswell, in real life i have more money than the average student, but i know i could never afford just the tyres, travelling expenses and safety gear for a season of racing. it really is for kids with wealthy parents.

    as a hobby though, id like to get into carting thats the closest ill ever get to participating in a real racing series :p:

    in the meantime, though, i get by with online racing simulators. now i know what your going to say, but bare with me here. modern sims are highly advanced and even F1 drivers use them for training. at the build up to the racers this year ive seen Nakajima learning a new track on one.

    LFS is the best one out there, the demo is free so its worth a try. heres a good video of a fortunate guy, hes a pretty good driver aswell although i dont like his hand movements http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJQKGLblho
    play on rfactor myself so i wasn't going to laugh at you on that point :p: (which i know you dislike compared to LFS ) but yea i know what you're talking about

    Yea i'm pretty much the same as you then situation wise. Karting would be pretty cool but still most kids start when they're young lol

    EDIT: saw that vid, that guy has a nice set up
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    (Original post by abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz)
    play on rfactor myself so i wasn't going to laugh at you on that point :p: (which i know you dislike compared to LFS ) but yea i know what you're talking about

    Yea i'm pretty much the same as you then situation wise. Karting would be pretty cool but still most kids start when they're young lol
    no because its useless :p:, the physics are rubbish. the only thing its good for is car and track porn.

    if your serious about racing then theres no other alternative to LFS, although iRacing is meant to be better its hellish expensive (and American!).
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    (Original post by Lara C.)
    no because its useless :p:, the physics are rubbish. the only thing its good for is car and track porn.

    if your serious about racing then theres no other alternative to LFS, although iRacing is meant to be better its hellish expensive (and American!).
    yea has a stupid monthly subscription as well and you "rent" tracks you don't buy them which i just don't understand

    Rfactor's dependant on what mod you're driving though isn't it? heard some complaints about some mods but loads of praise for others
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    (Original post by Lara C.)
    LFS is the best one out there, the demo is free so its worth a try. heres a good video of a fortunate guy, hes a pretty good driver aswell although i dont like his hand movements http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sJQKGLblho
    I don't particularly see the point in any simulators. The only thing they simulate properly is what the car looks like, what the track looks like, and the noise. All of the things that make racing exiting (the speed/element of danger/tactile feedback/G-force etc) is removed.

    It's like flight simulators. I head people raving about Microsoft flight sim X so I downloaded the trial. After a completely uneventful takeoff I had to cruise for about 30 minutes before I was given another vector. Who the hell wants to sit there and do that?!

    Once again now I actually fly (albeit not a 737) you realise just how useless the simulator is (you have no tactile feedback/no element of danger/no joy of actually flying etc).

    There's nothing more irritating than someone who jumps out of Gran Turismo and thinks they can nail the Nurburgring :mad: Just try it, your skull would be imbedded in a wall in about 14 seconds.
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    (Original post by TommyWannabe)
    I don't particularly see the point in any simulators. The only thing they simulate properly is what the car looks like, what the track looks like, and the noise. All of the things that make racing exiting (the speed/element of danger/tactile feedback/G-force etc) is removed.

    There's nothing more irritating than someone who jumps out of Gran Turismo and thinks they can nail the Nurburgring :mad: Just try it, your skull would be imbedded in a wall in about 14 seconds.
    Sims are the closest thing most people get to racing which is one of the appeals unless of course you want to spend thousands on real motor racing

    You're right on the fact that some of those elements you mentioned are missing however, you actually do get a tactile feedback in race sims if you have a wheel through force feedback. Besides, sims are there to replicate, to the best of their ability, the handling of a real car so that's what also adds to the enjoyment. In addition to that the competitive side is still there albeit virtual.

    It's funny you mention gran turismo though. If i remember correctly, they actually held a competition to find a racing driver through gran turismo to enter in a real race and they actually did and this kid had no previous racing experience what so ever.
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    (Original post by TommyWannabe)
    I don't particularly see the point in any simulators. The only thing they simulate properly is what the car looks like, what the track looks like, and the noise. All of the things that make racing exiting (the speed/element of danger/tactile feedback/G-force etc) is removed.

    It's like flight simulators. I head people raving about Microsoft flight sim X so I downloaded the trial. After a completely uneventful takeoff I had to cruise for about 30 minutes before I was given another vector. Who the hell wants to sit there and do that?!

    Once again now I actually fly (albeit not a 737) you realise just how useless the simulator is (you have no tactile feedback/no element of danger/no joy of actually flying etc).

    There's nothing more irritating than someone who jumps out of Gran Turismo and thinks they can nail the Nurburgring :mad: Just try it, your skull would be imbedded in a wall in about 14 seconds.
    i dont mean to be rude but you really dont know what your talking about. theres so much more to it that you think.

    firstly, racing online is VERY competitive, there are many dedicated people out there who are nearly impossible to beat, simply because they are so fast. when you do have a grueling race like that, and finish in a good position, it takes alot of hard work, *luck*, and shire quickness. you get alot of satisfaction from that!

    the physics are very sophisticated, ofcourse they arent perfect but they are damn close, all the same racing theories apply and if you want to win are essential. understeer, oversteer, corrections, trail braking, taking the optimum line, if you cant drive in real life you wont get anywhere with one of these simulators. Gran Turismo or at least the versions ive played up till now are a joke in comparison.

    you do get feedback, theres plenty of good quality racing wheels on the market, if you dont have forcefeedback you wont feel the car sliding, and you wont be able to do very well. the element of danger comes form the competativeness, you look after your car because if you dont then its trashed and alot of your hard work is lost. unless you are able to recover and finish the race in a respectable time. ive seen people battling it out for 20 minutes plus touch and go only for the slightest knock in a braking area to send one car into the wall and its literally game over for them him :p:
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    (Original post by Lara C.)
    nearly all the top end race drivers nowadays have been on a development programme since they were in their early teens, if you want to make it in the big time, you need to know the right people, have super talent if your older than average, and have bag loads of money to fund it all. all in all i dont think they average kid has much of a chance unless your dads names Anthony Hamilton
    In all fairness he never struck me as being an 'average kid' you look at him and how he was apparantly an everyday person when he was young...... yes an everyday person going to the same charity events as Ron Dennis, he struck me as being bankrupt in a Michael Jackson kind of way, Rubens Barrichello however is another story.
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    (Original post by Lara C.)
    i dont mean to be rude but you really dont know what your talking about. theres so much more to it that you think.

    firstly, racing online is VERY competitive, there are many dedicated people out there who are nearly impossible to beat, simply because they are so fast. when you do have a grueling race like that, and finish in a good position, it takes alot of hard work, *luck*, and shire quickness. you get alot of satisfaction from that!

    the physics are very sophisticated, ofcourse they arent perfect but they are damn close, all the same racing theories apply and if you want to win are essential. understeer, oversteer, corrections, trail braking, taking the optimum line, if you cant drive in real life you wont get anywhere with one of these simulators. Gran Turismo or at least the versions ive played up till now are a joke in comparison.

    you do get feedback, theres plenty of good quality racing wheels on the market, if you dont have forcefeedback you wont feel the car sliding, and you wont be able to do very well. the element of danger comes form the competativeness, you look after your car because if you dont then its trashed and alot of your hard work is lost. unless you are able to recover and finish the race in a respectable time. ive seen people battling it out for 20 minutes plus touch and go only for the slightest knock in a braking area to send one car into the wall and its literally game over for them him :p:
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    (Original post by Lara C.)
    i dont mean to be rude but you really dont know what your talking about. theres so much more to it that you think.

    firstly, racing online is VERY competitive, there are many dedicated people out there who are nearly impossible to beat, simply because they are so fast. when you do have a grueling race like that, and finish in a good position, it takes alot of hard work, *luck*, and shire quickness. you get alot of satisfaction from that!

    the physics are very sophisticated, ofcourse they arent perfect but they are damn close, all the same racing theories apply and if you want to win are essential. understeer, oversteer, corrections, trail braking, taking the optimum line, if you cant drive in real life you wont get anywhere with one of these simulators. Gran Turismo or at least the versions ive played up till now are a joke in comparison.

    you do get feedback, theres plenty of good quality racing wheels on the market, if you dont have forcefeedback you wont feel the car sliding, and you wont be able to do very well. the element of danger comes form the competativeness, you look after your car because if you dont then its trashed and alot of your hard work is lost. unless you are able to recover and finish the race in a respectable time. ive seen people battling it out for 20 minutes plus touch and go only for the slightest knock in a braking area to send one car into the wall and its literally game over for them him :p:
    You should know I'm not insulting those who use simulators, I'm only questionning the rationale of people who think that they could step out of the NSX on GT4 and jump into one in real life and even get close to the same time.

    As for the physics, although they may be perfect, they never apply in the same way. I'll bring flying an airplane into the equation again. In the simulator, everything is modelled correctly. In a stall for example, the plane will stall at the same airspeed/attitude etc as it would in real life. But in the simulator you don't get that weird little feeling you get in real life that tells you the plane is about to stall. If I shut my eyes in a simulator and tried to keep the plane up you'd have no chance. If you tried it in an airplane, within reason you can feel what's going on. To me that 'feeling' is the important part of what you're doing.

    I must admit beyond gran turismo I'm not knowledagble of racing sims, although I've used a fair few flight sims. The amount of detail is impressive (from switching on passenger lights to changing the air conditioning in the cockpit etc) but you just don't get the same feeling at all.

    As for it being the 'closest thing to racing,' rather than putting a few thousand away to build a simulator rig I'd put it towards an old touring car or something. I realise simulators can be competitive but to me it's only in the same way you're competitive on Call of Duty 4.

    Like I said though I don't begrudge people for using them and can understand the appeal. But for me the whole appeal is actually sitting in the car/plane, revving the engine, feeling that little rumble go up your arse and having a micro-orgasm.
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    (Original post by TommyWannabe)
    As for the physics, although they may be perfect, they never apply in the same way. I'll bring flying an airplane into the equation again. In the simulator, everything is modelled correctly. In a stall for example, the plane will stall at the same airspeed/attitude etc as it would in real life. But in the simulator you don't get that weird little feeling you get in real life that tells you the plane is about to stall. If I shut my eyes in a simulator and tried to keep the plane up you'd have no chance. If you tried it in an airplane, within reason you can feel what's going on. To me that 'feeling' is the important part of what you're doing.
    and there is the problem in your argument :p:

    you're comparing a flight sim to a racing sim. As lara and i have said, in racing sims you can buy wheels with force feedback. Force feedback is basically giving you feedback on the forces acting on the steering rack (correct me if i'm wrong something) meaning you feel the car slide, you feel the bumps in the road, you feel the kerbs etc etc
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    not sure really what the oldest age woulkd be but most f1 drivers were karting from the age of about 8-10 years old
 
 
 
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