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    (Original post by bigmo7)
    Especially at Bus Stops :mad:

    And in the queues at theme parks! :mad:
    Wah wah wah all I hear is whining.
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    (Original post by Bagration)
    Wah wah wah all I hear is whining.
    And also illegal :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by PinkMobilePhone)
    I think it's disgusting, and that people who smoke around others are inconsiderate.

    I was in the park a couple of weeks ago with the kids, and we sat down on a bench. I'm heavily pregnant and it's a big effort to walk for a long while before I have to sit down. Hadn't been on the bench longer than a minute when some old woman smoking like a chimney came and sat down next to me and started blowing her smoke all over my son in his pushchair, and on me (and I'm very obviously pregnant). My daughter only escaped the smoke because she was running up the hill behind me.

    If she hadn't been an old person I'd have given her a piece of my mind but as it was I held my tongue and just got up and painfully waddled to the next bench. I figured that telling an old person to go and walk all the way to the next bench was maybe pushing it if she can't walk far, but ffs I can't walk far either at the moment :mad:

    I should have pushed her in the lake really and seen how she fared :mad:
    It's just absurd for anyone to claim this is the behaviour of any large number of smokers. It isn't.
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    (Original post by bigmo7)
    And also illegal :rolleyes:
    Again, all I hear is whining.
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    (Original post by Bagration)
    It's just absurd for anyone to claim this is the behaviour of any large number of smokers. It isn't.
    Believe me I've had many many people kindly blow smoke in my direction before whilst I've been pregnant, or towards my kids. Maybe some smokers try and be more considerate, but there are a hell of a lot that just couldn't give a damn.
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    (Original post by PlanetTea)
    Like many things, I never bothered to develop any real opinion on smoking. I just saw it as something some people do and it didn't hurt me, so why should I care? However, I have begun to notice, particularly when a friend of mine began smoking, that there is quite a strong prejudice towards it. People can be quite nasty, really.

    So, what do you lot think?
    Smokers are always heckled because what their doing is bad for them. I'm not a full time smoker but they pay their way in taxes (as cigarette prices are mainly tax) and now that it's banned from enclosed spaces, it bothers nobody.

    I might start shouting at an obese person next time I see one. After all, they are seriously hurting themselves and making no significant contribution to the health services which they will later / currently rely on.
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    (Original post by Bagration)
    Again, all I hear is whining.
    So if someone kills a member of your family, you shouldn't say anything to the murderer but just accept it, right?
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    I don't really care to be honest. I'm not a smoker, sometimes I find myself liking the smell of the smoke if it's some form of flavoured tobacco :o: The only problem I have with it is the amount of butt's left on the floor. It looks horrible
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    (Original post by 300mg)
    now that it's banned from enclosed spaces, it bothers nobody.
    that's really not the case. Okay it's better now that it's banned from enclosed spaces, but somebody coming and sitting right next to you on a bench puffing like a chimney....well I would hardly say that's bothering nobody.
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    (Original post by PinkMobilePhone)
    Believe me I've had many many people kindly blow smoke in my direction before whilst I've been pregnant, or towards my kids. Maybe some smokers try and be more considerate, but there are a hell of a lot that just couldn't give a damn.
    There are a whole host of things that can affect your kids because of other people's inconsiderate behaviour. Smoking is just one of them. Littering, swearing, talking about inappropriate things loudly, generally rough behaviour (I wouldn't feel safe sitting next to a 3 year old in front or behind a group of chavs, for instance), bad drivers, 4x4s (more likely to kill children, supposedly), even on the television, violent scenes, so on and so forth.

    Unfortunately, the world is not a perfect place and your children are, after all, only children for a fraction of their lives (hopefully).

    That said, I don't want this to sound like I'm lecturing you on parenting or whatever... you're probably a better parent than I ever will be.
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    (Original post by PinkMobilePhone)
    that's really not the case. Okay it's better now that it's banned from enclosed spaces, but somebody coming and sitting right next to you on a bench puffing like a chimney....well I would hardly say that's bothering nobody.
    Yeah true - that's more a reflection of the person being an idiot rather than the act of smoking though.
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    (Original post by bigmo7)
    So if someone kills a member of your family, you shouldn't say anything to the murderer but just accept it, right?
    Sorry, smoking near someone doesn't =! the use of physical force.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

    Nobody has been murdered from second hand smoke for reasons they didn't accept.

    What you are doing is whining, i.e. illegitimate complaints, about something that scarcely affects you.
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    (Original post by Bagration)
    Sorry, smoking near someone doesn't =! the use of physical force.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

    Nobody has been murdered from second hand smoke for reasons they didn't accept.
    My point was that even tho I said it was illegal, you say stop whining ok..

    So killing someone is illegal too, so you shouldn't whine about it huh?

    I don't care if people smoke or not, as long as they just follow the law...
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    Don't give two ***** about it.
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    (Original post by bigmo7)
    My point was that even tho I said it was illegal, you say stop whining ok..

    So killing someone is illegal too, so you shouldn't whine about it huh?

    I don't care if people smoke or not, as long as they just follow the law...
    if something that you did was made illegal for reasons that to you were an insignificant justification, and the law was barely enforced and widely ignored... then well, I'm sure you'd consider it whining, just like I consider what yo're doing as whining.

    something isn't wrong because it's illegal, something's illegal because it's deemed to be wrong. There's a difference. If something is illegal and not wrong there's no reason to follow the law. Something isn't immediately wrong because it's against the law. If homosexuality was illegal, like it used to be, would you think it was wrong to be gay?

    or to somewhat reverse your point, if murder was made legal, would that be okay because it's no longer against the law?

    the justificiation to a law is therefore more important than whether something is the law itself. "it's against the law" is no reason to be anti-drugs or anti-smoking in bus stops or even anti-murder.

    are you a free thinking human being or have you been bred to accept whatever the authorities tell you?
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    stupid and revolting why pay to shorten your life?
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    (Original post by Bagration)
    something isn't wrong because it's illegal, something's illegal because it's deemed to be wrong. There's a difference. If something is illegal and not wrong there's no reason to follow the law. Something isn't immediately wrong because it's against the law. If homosexuality was illegal, like it used to be, would you think it was wrong to be gay?

    or to somewhat reverse your point, if murder was made legal, would that be okay because it's no longer against the law?

    the justificiation to a law is therefore more important than whether something is the law itself. "it's against the law" is no reason to be anti-drugs or anti-smoking in bus stops or even anti-murder.

    are you a free thinking human being or have you been bred to accept whatever the authorities tell you?
    So basically what your saying is that because you don't think it's wrong you shouldn't follow the law...
    Good logic there...

    I can think for myself but I also try to stay within the law since I choose to live in this country...I believe second hand smoking is wrong, I am entitled to my opinion...
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    (Original post by bigmo7)
    So basically what your saying is that because you don't think it's wrong you shouldn't follow the law...
    Good logic there...
    No. I was saying you should find a better reason to whine about second hand smoke than "it's against the law." If you have a better reason, go ahead... but "It's illegal" is not a good reason.

    (Original post by bigmo7)
    I can think for myself
    Apparently not.

    (Original post by bigmo7)
    but I also try to stay within the law since I choose to live in this country...I believe second hand smoking is wrong, I am entitled to my opinion...
    Well, yea, obviously you are entitled to your opinion... whether you're entitled to coerce other people into following your opinion is a matter of philosophical debate.
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    (Original post by Bagration)
    No. I was saying you should find a better reason to whine about second hand smoke than "it's against the law." If you have a better reason, go ahead... but "It's illegal" is not a good reason.
    If it's against the law then they shouldn't be there in the first place, it's a perfectly good reason.

    (Original post by Bagration)
    Apparently not.
    Well just because I'm against people smoking in public places I can't think for myself? :rolleyes:

    (Original post by Bagration)
    Well, yea, obviously you are entitled to your opinion... whether you're entitled to coerce other people into following your opinion is a matter of philosophical debate.
    I didn't ask you to agree with me...
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    I'm massively against smoking, and I'll admit I do consider smokers to be weak people.
    What a ridiculous opinion to hold... why would you think that?
 
 
 
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