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    (Original post by Hugh-Jackman)
    Most are lazy ****s that don't want to do a days work in their life and bring their kids up with the same attitude.
    Must have taken you hours to come up with such an informative addition to the discussion. well done. :P
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    Teenage mums - the most convincing argument for social engineering since Burberry.

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    (Original post by xJessx)
    I'm sorry but I don't think you can class any 18 year old as a 'woman'. Even the most mature teenagers are prone to bouts of immature behaviour. Also, how many 18 year olds are in a stable relationship of about 2 years+, have enough money to fund themselves and all the other practical elements like a car and a house etc... not many.

    I do have respect for teenage mums because as someone said, it takes guts to choose to raise a child instead of having an abortion and many of them do work hard for their kids and love them etc but I still don't think it's something to aspire to because most won't be able to afford their kids the stuff that they would have been able to if they had waited and they've just made everything 10x harder for themselves.
    Erm an 18 year old is legally an adult...

    Heck, we're all prone to bouts of immature behaviour at times. I'm 22 and nowhere near ready for kids yet, however some of my friends who chose to have children when they were 18/19 were very mature and responsible and have subsequently turned out to be great parents. Obviously not all teenage parents are but not all 20 something or 30 something parents are either.
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    (Original post by Eva2)
    oh. dear. god :eek:
    what are you "oh. dear. god"-ding about???
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    (Original post by Hibz123)
    I just find it difficult to understand why a 13 year old wants a child at this age.

    The answer to that is both shockingly simple and, well more than a little bit shameful as it shows how low we have allowed the expectations of vast swathes of our population to sink to.


    Basically they think that becoming a mother is just about the most that they will ever be able to achieve in life. They never even consider that they might be able to hold down a decent job, get a-levels, maybe even a degree which could lead to something better. In a world where everyone they know lives in a council house and lives off benefits, those are the standards that they hold themselves to and having a kid is a shortcut to 'success'....

    The same is true of boys that end up involved in gangs and other criminal activities. Its all about a lack of aspiration beyond the world that they live in. Sure some do 'break out of the ghetto' so to speak (ghettos aren't really a reality in the UK, not in a racial sense anyway), but most don't, and they merely serve to continue the cycle of poverty, crime and violence...


    Personally I think that breaking these cycles should be our top priority, as they represent so much wasted potential, never mind a drain on government finances, and not just through benefits, but policing crime, the court systems, the prison system and so on. Essentially poverty costs us all money, and some of us our lives, and its high time that we actually realised this...
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    If they are mature enough to bring it up well and can provide for it as it grows up then I have no problem with it, however as has been said earlier in the thread the vast vast majority of teenagers just aren't in that situation.
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    (Original post by Mango24)
    my problem is bad moms, regardless of if they are teenage or not.
    Agreed.

    If someone is going to be able to provide for their child financially, emotionally and in every way possible, if the baby is kept clean/fed/healthy, if it is stimulated and educated properly and is given lots of good experiences (not necessarily based on money, things like being read to and being taken to the park and different places) then that's brilliant whether the mother is 13 or 43.

    I do think teenage moms are at a disadvantage because usually they haven't built up enough of a career or had a job long enough to save to buy everything involved with having a baby, they forget how expensive the things are.

    I think some people are cut out to be parents and for some it doesn't come naturally. My friend got pregnant at 19 by accident, she immediately stopped drinking and smoking, moved from a small shared flat into a lovely house with a garden for the baby and started making curtains for the baby's room, both her and the baby's dad (who she's still with) work so she has his income plus her maternity leave allowance for the costs.

    In contrast my boyfriend's brother's girlfriend got pregnant deliberately at 17, is still smoking, has absolutely no money as both her and the brother don't work and he's not even looking for a job, they have nowhere to live from August as she's living in a social services flat she can only stay in til she's 18 and they haven't bought anything for the baby yet, instead they're using their jobseekers allowance for cigarettes and computer games.

    So to conclude my massive speech, it's not the age, it's the attitude that counts.
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    (Original post by Ice_Queen)
    I think that would just lead to them being pulled out by people who don't have the training to do so (not unlike backstreet abortions) if people wanted kids for 'someone to love' (as outlined in my first post).

    Now if that caused internal bleeding sufficient to cause death, well that's Darwin in action right there...
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    Well instead of paying for stupid things like the Olympics, which no one cares about, or spending billions on illegal wars that produce nothing than death, we could spend the money on home to improve society? It's a crazy idea I know.

    Not to knock down sex, but some people believe it is only a pleasure thing. Sex is reproduction, pleasure is the side-effect. If you have no way of supporting a child, then avoid sex. It's really simple. But people will do it anyway because it's culture.
    This is wrong. Sex is pleasure, reproduction is a side-effect. At least it is now, in contemporary society. And you can bloody well use a condom if you dont want to reproduce, doesn't mean you can't have sex.
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    (Original post by weeorla)
    Must have taken you hours to come up with such an informative addition to the discussion. well done. :P
    Took me seconds to lay down the facts, yeah some do get themselves in a mess, most are lazy and want to live off government and not do any work.
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    (Original post by manx1991)
    So how do you see underage parents?
    Some are just dumb.
    Others are promiscuous.
    Most are both.
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    a teenager doesnt have any money so therefore cant afford a baby.
    you cant afford rent, and nursery fees working in a shop, which is all they would be qualified to do.
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    (Original post by flugestuge)
    Some are just dumb.
    Others are promiscuous.
    Most are both.
    **** off, my mums none of those and she gave birth at 17...dont get all ******* judging and all that
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    (Original post by girlmechanik)
    **** off, my mums none of those and she gave birth at 17...dont get all ******* judging and all that
    Judging by the foul language her daughter uses, she could not have been much of a positive role model.

    My argument stands.
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    its disgusting
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    WOWW! I didn't expect it to be this popular! Seems there's definately a variety of opinions. My mate's mum gave birth to her at 15 (this is another mate) and she said that it's actually showed her what she doesn't want. But, saying that, they are the closest mother and daughter I know... The larger the age gap, the bigger the differences I'm starting to think.
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    A child should be baught in this world to be wanted, to a mother and father who are prepared to act like parents inconsequential of thier age. But a kid shouldnt be the result of a 13 year olds drunken fumble whos parents are not going to care, live of the dole and make the next generation of imbeciles.
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    I feel the same way about teenage mums as i do about poor adults who have children
    i think its horrible to bring a baby into the world that they know they cant properly care for.
    How can a teenage mum teach their child things when they havent even fully grown and matured?
    I mean if they've even put themselves in the situation of having a baby at such a young age, that shows a big lack of responsibility...so how can they take on the big responsibility of raising a child? I find it absurd.

    I know a lot of people that are the products of teenage pregnancies but i dunno, i just dont support it at all
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    (Original post by dannymccormick)
    They are, and always will be ... greatly irresponsible. I am extremely mature for my age, but even I know that I'm not quite mature enough for a child. It's not just about teen pregnancies though; even a pair of rich 35 year olds who have no brain cells to rub together are irresponsible for having a kid. You need to be able to teach your child the way of the world: to be strong, analytical, non-conforming. That's my view anyway. I'd love to teach my kid the very best of literature, films, music, introducing them to the very best stimuli so that they gain a wider perspective on life and how to behave properly. I know that at the moment I'm not yet knowledgeable, wise and patient enough for that.

    On the other hand, these reproduction-addicts are what keeps the world going round. XD
    Based on this comment and your profile you seem very smug, with a greatly inflated sense of your own importance, maturity, intellectual capacity and originality.

    I hate all the people making sweeping judgements here. There are some very good young parents, and some not so great, the same applies to parents of any age though.
    Lol at all the bitter virgins blaming the "dirty ****s" for "opening their legs" as if having sex is some hind of terrible crime.
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    (Original post by lollypop036)
    I feel the same way about teenage mums as i do about poor adults who have children
    i think its horrible to bring a baby into the world that they know they cant properly care for.
    How can a teenage mum teach their child things when they havent even fully grown and matured?
    I mean if they've even put themselves in the situation of having a baby at such a young age, that shows a big lack of responsibility...so how can they take on the big responsibility of raising a child? I find it absurd.

    I know a lot of people that are the products of teenage pregnancies but i dunno, i just dont support it at all
    I suppose it depends on how important you view material wealth to be. I personally think that the child with rich parents who work and socialise all the time and who is brought up my nannies is in a worse position in many ways than a child who lives on a council estate on a tight budget, but has parents that show them a lot of love and support.
 
 
 
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