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    I'm not one for defending 'traditional' British culture, because clearly, a lot of it is absolute nonsense. But I'm all for defending us against infilitration from cultures even worse than our own. Islam definitely counts as one of those.
    Islam isn't a culture o_O Contrary to popular belief, moderate/liberal Muslims who also advocate a secular society do exist. Islam4UK is so ridiculous and appalling, it's almost tragic. But I agree with you: if they want an Islamic state, they should move to one. Simples.

    (Original post by Deano88)
    What would happen if i went to Saudi Arabia and started trying to change their laws, i'm pretty sure i'd be told where to go.
    They'd go a step farther and escort you to "that place" from legend, which is all-so-very true. You'd never see the light of day :p:
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    "When we allow them to do PE, they must expose parts of their awrah as a ‘safety measurement’. In Religious Education, come Christmas time, our children are taught how to sing Christmas Carols,"

    Yeah? and?

    It's such a pisstake that they want to come over here, use our system to their advantage, but aren't happy with it becuase its not the same as Tehran or whevever.

    Absolute piss take.
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    (Original post by Sakujo)
    These guys don't use their brains. They come, say something outlandish and then the rest of the community has to pick up the pieces.

    Sharia law (in the true sense) is the result of an Islamic soceity, it does not create an Islamic soceity. It's not a magic bullet that will cure all problems as these guys suggest. How can you enforce Islam if Islam is not in the hearts of the people? Shaira law should not be implemented in Britan simply because the vast majority of people are not Muslims. Also, Sharia law at present means a single persons interpretation without a system. What I mean by that is that Sharia was enforced in Islamic states by a complex, well organised system of justice. However currently nothing of the sort exists and IMO any attempt to implement Sharia law will be failure as there will be no standardised definition.


    Muslims believe that all Prophets of God were Muslims and taught Islam. It was only after the Prophets left that people began to change the scriptures and teachings of Islam to form todays religions such as Christianity. Muslims belive that Muhammad was the last Prophet and Messenger and that the Islam we have today is the complete and pure form of what all the other Prophets such as Jesus, Moses, Abraham etc. taught.

    These guys are in the minority. And I'm not saying that to make you feel better or safe or to sugar-coat the situation. They consist of about 40 people at most out of 2 million. In most mosques they aren't allowed to host events and known members aren't welcome.

    I've realised that you might be saying you believe that they are in the minorityin which case sorry for the above.
    Cheers for that, and fair enough. I'm aware these people are the minority, but when they're going out into the community and holding roadshows and going into schools converting children (a school near me had a preacher in, was in the local newspaper etc), it's quite worrying, and I don't think we can write these guys off just because they are the minority. Mass movements always start off as a minority movement.
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    I think people need to take this group within context. That context is that they don't represent anyone apart from themselves. I've read many times how the BNP are not a major threat to the UK and how people criticise how much we bang on about them. Now the BNP got a large number of people voting for them, 100000s, these guys number in the 10's.
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    (Original post by Sakujo)
    I think people need to take this group within context. That context is that they don't represent anyone apart from themselves. I've read many times how the BNP are not a major threat to the UK and how people criticise how much we bang on about them. Now the BNP got a large number of people voting for them, 100000s, these guys number in the 10's.
    The BNP had to have only had 10's of supporters primarily, but they've grown. What's to say these won't? Especially with roadshows, converting targets, etc.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    I honestly don't think the main aspect of what these guys are trying to do is get rid of fish n chips. I think it's more of an attack on the British way-of-life, more than anything.
    Okay, I'm Muslim - and none of my friends/family/anyone I know for that matter at all support this absurdity. I'm sick and tired of being tarnished under the same brush because of these idiots. A true Muslim (imho) is a modest, humble, faithful being who celebrates other cultures/religions etc for what they are, and keeps their faith to themselves.
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    Vile, backward, repugnant website. It probably won't surprise you that it's run by Anjem Choudary (Luton protests, 'gays should be stoned to death', and so on).

    Why this man is allowed to A) spout his hate speech and B) spout it whilst living off the taxpayer (through benefits) is beyond me.
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    Cheers for that, and fair enough. I'm aware these people are the minority, but when they're going out into the community and holding roadshows and going into schools converting children (a school near me had a preacher in, was in the local newspaper etc), it's quite worrying, and I don't think we can write these guys off just because they are the minority. Mass movements always start off as a minority movement.
    I think you safely can. Last time they tried to step up a stall outside a mosque a fight broke out as the people inside the mosque didn't want anything to do with them. They've fallen out with so many mosques that they've declared that some mosques aren't even mosques as they don't let their group in. They've had to set up their organisation three times within the last few years and the latest launch ended up in disaster.

    I realise how it can be worrying but just try to ignore it. There's not much you or I can do. They are allowed to say what they want so long as it doesn't get them in trouble with the Terrorism Act. Also, why did they let them into a school? Are you sure it wasn't another group explaining Islam as opposed to trying to convert people?
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    (Original post by 35mm_)
    The BNP had to have only had 10's of supporters primarily, but they've grown. What's to say these won't? Especially with roadshows, converting targets, etc.
    Because their main target audience and supporters, Muslims, want nothing to do with them.
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    Good on those Muslims who want nothing to do with that.
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    Sharia law should NOT be implemented here. The UK is fundamentally a christian country (although increasingly segregate), but with such a variety of views towards religion, having a foreign religious government would not be good for anyone.

    I mean, if a bunch of atheists from the UK went over to Pakistan (for example) and made an anti-Muslim party, that'd be seen as outrage.

    To be perfectly honest, I'm fed up with their being an Islam thread everyday. You seldom see Christian/Hindu etc threads.
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    I think everybody should just calm down about this site, take it as comedy if you like. I for one rather enjoyed reading that site.
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    (Original post by Hopeful Waters)
    Okay, I'm Muslim - and none of my friends/family/anyone I know for that matter at all support this absurdity. I'm sick and tired of being tarnished under the same brush because of these idiots. A true Muslim (imho) is a modest, humble, faithful being who celebrates other cultures/religions etc for what they are, and keeps their faith to themselves.
    Nobody's tarnishing you under the same brush, I've repeated numerous times that these morons are the "minority" and that moderate British Muslims won't agree with that.
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    Seen this? Islam4uk in action

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2Et8OlYMvg

    Check out the guy who posted it's user page.
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    (Original post by Moe Lester)
    Check out the guy who posted it's user page.
    His age is worrying.
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    All those school and mall shootings in 2007 were supposedly Christian perpetrators. No one said Christian terrorism. KKK was supposedly a Christain political activist group that murdered 1,000's of blacks. No one said Christian Terrorism. Nazism was ran by white people. No one says European terrorism. White woman are the freakiest attractive lookin b*tches/women in the world.

    Friedrich Nietszsche once reffered the continent of Europe to the continent of nihilism. He was a born white German of the 18th century, too. Russian communism was based upon materialism which killed 1,000's of Europeans. America and Britains are the friendliest conspirators of materialism.

    A falsehood and flagrant sin is earned by those who project their own or the faults of others onto the real innocent one's. Guilty prejudices against Islam/monotheism are deeply buried within your fragile ego. Your shallow-mindedness and ego-censorship is the worst form of retardation.
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    (Original post by Mr. Monotheist)
    All those school and mall shootings in 2007 were supposedly Christian perpetrators. No one said Christian terrorism. KKK was supposedly a Christain political activist group that murdered 1,000's of blacks. No one said Christian Terrorism. Nazism was ran by white people. No one says European terrorism. White woman are the freakiest attractive lookin b*tches/women in the world.
    I think you're somewhat missing the point. If you'd like to start a thread about Christian terrorism then by all means do so.
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    (Original post by Mr. Monotheist)
    All those school and mall shootings in 2007 were supposedly Christian perpetrators. No one said Christian terrorism.
    White Christians killing other probably white Christian people? That's slightly different to middle-Eastern Muslims killing white Christians.

    Nazism was ran by white people. No one says European terrorism.
    Nazis were white and European, therefore all white or European people must be Nazis, right? :rolleyes:
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    Germany just recently in March had the deadliest school shooting. By a German young man. German culture is to blame. So, put it where it really belongs before your ego forces you to have your head up ya ass.
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    (Original post by Bagration)
    http://www.islam4uk.com/islamic-syst...rs-perspective

    WOW **** OFF
    what is kufr?
 
 
 
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