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    The government is contemplating cuts to university funding by 20%, which will probably mean that universities will allocate more places to foreign students to balance their budgets squeezing out deserving home students. In theory all places could be allocated to paying foreign students as I believe there are no quota restrictions. It could be that in 10 to 15 years time the majority of UK university students could be foreign. This will have bad and unintended consequences for the UK economy as the indigenous population become less educated and more reliant on foreign expertise. So what do you think is the solution?:confused:
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    If people from other countries are paying tuition fees and so on like the rest of us and they have the grades to study here, I don't see much of a problem.
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    You want to kick me out of your country?

    Jolly good show.
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    what percentage would you say is majority because i seriously doubt they'll "take over"
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    British universities for British students, I believe.
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    Tuition fees don't cover the cost of serious science, engineering, medical or dental degrees (the one's that attract overseas students), hense they're run at a deficit made up by government funding. You have to ask whether the government should be paying for foreign students to take these degrees?
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    Don't worry, soon the Conservatives will be in power.

    This idea is rubbish and would never work in practice. It won't happen, there's too many UK students for foreign students to become the "majority".
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    I think some unis and courses have a cap on foreign student numbers? I think this should be the case for all degrees, especially as there's been such a rise in applicants.

    I suppose the only way this is going to happen is if tuition fees are raised.
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    Surely it can not be right that more and more fee paying foreign students displace deserving home students from a valuable university education? It is not unknown for foreign students to make either exaggerated or bogus academic qualifications in order to gain entry into UK universities, as there is no reliable method to verify their veracity. Could it be that every foreign student occupying a university place is stealing an educational opportunity from a home student?
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    This is going to cause one hell of an uproar within the various middle classes.
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/lif...cle6719170.ece will make it worse

    The only alternative is for institutions to go private ( http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6689637.ece ) and have bursaries paid by the state for a set number of subject areas (with students applying for said bursaries and then choosing which uni to go to) as at the moment we have the worst of both worlds.

    You'll have those on the nationalist side saying "British universities for British students" with those on the "socialist side" saying that fees should be scrapped for everyone and the playing field levelled.

    What's happened since 1998 is that the burden of university tuition has shifted from the taxpayer to students (where parents cannot afford the support) and parents (where they can) - and the genie was let out of the bottle in the summer of 1997 at the peak of the new labour euphoria.

    How could such a system work?

    Well basically it would underpin principle of students being able to study anywhere irrespective of finances if they are good enough. The difference to now is that the level of being "good enough" would be higher than it currently is. It would then allow universities to react accordingly - ensuring that where departments in non-vocational stubjects are strong enough, they will survive and thrive (as the bursary system will guarantee a minimum level of income assuming they are good enough) while allowing market forces to deal with the remainder.

    For those who didn't get grades allowing them to access bursaries, there would always be the option of either the long-term loans and/or a graduate tax. (Personally I favour both, but with the latter kicking in at a very high level - i.e. +£50k to help fund a system of bursaries).

    At the same time, it would also allow universities and philanthropists/trusts to add to any bursaries that are available either at specific institutions or subject areas.
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    (Original post by Jamjar)
    Surely it can not be right that more and more fee paying foreign students displace deserving home students from a valuable university education? It is not unknown for foreign students to make either exaggerated or bogus academic qualifications in order to gain entry into UK universities, as there is no reliable method to verify their veracity. Could it be that every foreign student occupying a university place is stealing an educational opportunity from a home student?
    This is why I think it'll kick up a huge stink - and one where I can see various high court challenges occuring.

    Basically a complainant would have reasonable grounds to claim that s/he was discriminated against if refused a place on grounds of nationality alone, where a university had stated publicly that it was going to offer more places for international students at the expense of home/EU students.
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    I can't decide what i think. In a way it seems a tad harsh if the chances of UK students of getting into British unis really would be comprimised. However, we live in a priveleged country and (maybe getting too deep) as humans we should really all have equal rights, so maybe students should be admitted to uni on merit alone.
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    All universities have a cap on the number of foreign students they allow in.
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    (Original post by Renal)
    Tuition fees don't cover the cost of serious science, engineering, medical or dental degrees (the one's that attract overseas students), hense they're run at a deficit made up by government funding. You have to ask whether the government should be paying for foreign students to take these degrees?
    So even the higher international fees (around 9k a year) is still short of the actual cost? I guess if that were the case, their other expenditure compensates.
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    (Original post by orange_monsoon)
    I can't decide what i think. In a way it seems a tad harsh if the chances of UK students of getting into British unis really would be comprimised. However, we live in a priveleged country and (maybe getting too deep) as humans we should really all have equal rights, so maybe students should be admitted to uni on merit alone.
    Yeah, let's get Jonny taxpayer to fund oil soaked Arabs university education. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Fusion)
    Yeah, let's get Jonny taxpayer to fund oil soaked Arabs university education. :rolleyes:
    hmm... i see your point.
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    So even the higher international fees (around 9k a year) is still short of the actual cost? I guess if that were the case, their other expenditure compensates.
    A medical degree costs ~£250,000 (as of about five years ago), their other expenditure doesn't even come close.
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    (Original post by orange_monsoon)
    I can't decide what i think. In a way it seems a tad harsh if the chances of UK students of getting into British unis really would be comprimised. However, we live in a priveleged country and (maybe getting too deep) as humans we should really all have equal rights, so maybe students should be admitted to uni on merit alone.
    It isn't really merit alone if one person is chosen over another because they'll pay more.
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    I don't know if coming from Gibraltar counts as being 'foreign' But we don't have any other choice apart from studying in UK.
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    (Original post by Renal)
    A medical degree costs ~£250,000 (as of about five years ago), their other expenditure doesn't even come close.
    Well, I think International fees should be set to maximise "profit". Granted, there are other benefits brought by Internationals (staying on to work in the UK, research etc). I don't know why this wouldn't be the case.
 
 
 
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