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    (Original post by Shaniqua)
    So, you would rather your taxes went towards some scrounger buying a wide-screen TV, rather than going towards potentially protecting the lives of young people involved in the government's war? At least the war has some good intentions about it.

    What a repugnant thought process you have.
    Given you only joined recently, you may not have realised yet that this forum is full of idiotic socialists who speak before they think. There's not really any point trying to argue, I've tried it and you never get through.
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    Just because people have differing opinions from yourself does not make them idiotic. I believe a society should be judged on how it treats its poor - I'm happy to defend this belief in the face of bigoted ignorance and selfishism. Can we have a discussion without resorting to insults and name-calling?


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    Why doesn't Labour stop spending money on foreign aid, ID cards and EU membership which would save billions and allow the armed forces to be better equipped?

    Not fighting wars whenever the USA demands it would help to, since too many commitments are stretching the army to breaking point.
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    Benefits are an easy target. The fact is there isn't much scope for reducing them. JSA is £60 a week, its pretty tough - you can't push that much further down.
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    Public spending should be abolished, anarchy o/
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    I'd rather my taxes went on benefits than war, personally.
    your an idiot
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    (Original post by Shaniqua)
    I'm referring to those people who have been on benefits for years, even pre-recession and spend the money on crap. Ministers have been moaning about lack of funding for the armed forces, so why doesn't Labour start taking people off benefits to fund their wars?
    COuldn't have put it better myself
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    COuldn't have put it better myself
    I don't doubt that.
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    your an idiot
    *keeps mouth shut*
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    Nobody is going to cut of benefits to the unemployed as even if they could get work which is not always the case the party would lose votes.

    I'm pretty sure the soldiers can't be in helicopters all the time.
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    (Original post by Usain lightning)
    COuldn't have put it better myself
    Explain. You would rather force unemployed people onto the streets than pull out of a war?
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    (Original post by jacketpotato)
    Explain. You would rather force unemployed people onto the streets than pull out of a war?
    Or make jobs for them, so at least they're doing something, but i'd rather see pople on the streets than poorly equipped soldirs coming back in bodybags. Why should those who worked hard in life be treated as a lsser priority to those who don't?
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    (Original post by jacketpotato)
    Explain. You would rather force unemployed people onto the streets than pull out of a war?
    No i would rather our heroes were well protected, while being in the most dangerous place in the world rather than some fat, stupid chav sit at home all day doing jack all and expecting everyone else to pay for it.
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    No i would rather our heroes were well protected, while being in the most dangerous place in the world rather than some fat, stupid chav sit at home all day doing jack all and expecting everyone else to pay for it.

    Yes because all people who are unemployed/on benefits fall into that tired and offensive stereotype.

    Idiot.
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    (Original post by Shortarse1)
    Or make jobs for them, so at least they're doing something, but i'd rather see pople on the streets than poorly equipped soldirs coming back in bodybags. Why should those who worked hard in life be treated as a lsser priority to those who don't?

    Lol you mean like a Victorian workhouse?

    Look, lets face it - dismantling the entire social services system in Britain to subsidise the defence budget is a shamefully foolish and shortsighted idea.

    Are you really so stupid as to think that the most disadvantaged people in society are all 'lazy' and 'don't work hard'?

    The defence budget is too small in comparison to the scale of the operation undertaken by the army. But any reasonably intelligent person can see the solution is not to cut unemplyment benefits when the country is in a recession.
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    (Original post by Heyjude)
    Yes because all people who are unemployed/on benefits fall into that tired and offensive stereotype.

    Idiot.
    How about if benefits were limited to say a 3 - 12 month period where the unemployed person is given vocational training. If the person cannot find a job then his benefits would be cut by an arbitrary percentage, and the money he would have received is then sent to the armed forces.

    edit - Only when the economy is in a boom period.
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    (Original post by Heyjude)
    Lol you mean like a Victorian workhouse?

    Look, lets face it - dismantling the entire social services system in Britain to subsidise the defence budget is a shamefully foolish and shortsighted idea.

    Are you really so stupid as to think that the most disadvantaged people in society are all 'lazy' and 'don't work hard'?

    The defence budget is too small in comparison to the scale of the operation undertaken by the army. But any reasonably intelligent person can see the solution is not to cut unemplyment benefits when the country is in a recession.
    Nope, there are many people on the benefits system who can work. They should have work found for them, rather than allowing them to search for it (because many never bother). If the money is not to be spent on an area that needs it, then at least ensure it is spent with some benefit coming back.

    Anyone with an IQ of room temperature knows there is a huge amount of wastage in the system atm.
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    Welfare in this country is mad, I was talking about it with my boss whilst driving on the motorway noticing the amount of debris, overgrown vegetation and grass that needed cutting. Instead of paying them to do nothing why not send the unemployed onto public works programmes such as looking after state infrastructure, eg the motorway cleaning and repairs. I also believe in a voucher system of food vouchers like in the US so that only the essential items can be bought and not squandered on alcohol and drugs and also that people are made to feel ashamed for being out of work.
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    Whoah one quote at a time! lol

    Because vocational training does not ensure that work will appear on your doorstep. Besides, you also exclude them from bettering their career/life prospects by seeking academic qualifications.

    Funding for the army can be solved by altering the national budget (which of course would be a difficult decision, but the answer is not to punish the poorest in society) rather than setting up a convoluted method of reinbursement of funds.

    To sign on and recieve unemployment benefits, you are required to apply for at least three jobs a week. Thus, the statement "many people never bother" is false. You're massively generalising millions of people and perpetuating a vile and ignorant stereotype.

    The most wastage comes from fraudulent claims, to live on £60 per week must be a horrible experience and I'm thankful I'm so lucky compared to lots of people. Your draconian selfishism is of the sort Dickens found repugnant.

    Oh, and I'm a member of Mensa
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    Lol Tory Dan, my Dickens refernce would appear to be apt.

    I think most people who are unemployed are ashamed enough without forcing them into a life of manual labour. However, your voucher idea similar to the US is quite interesting For this I will let you off for looking like a carichature of an aristocrat lol.
 
 
 
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