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    Thought I'd start this given the high attrition rate for applicants on the Fast Stream and to highlight that there are several routes into the Civil Service other than the Fast Stream.

    For a start, there's http://www.civilservice.gov.uk/jobs/index.aspx

    Any non-Fast Stream and non-specialist (thus excluding from this thread those applying for posts as economists, stattos, legal eagles and TiBers) related questions/comments, please keep to THIS thread.

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    (Original post by Prince Rhyus)
    Any non-Fast Stream and non-specialist (thus excluding from this thread those applying for posts as economists, stattos, legal eagles and TiBers) related questions/comments, please keep to THIS thread.
    Just thinking, wouldn't that mean almost every other thread in this forum should be in this thread? Since the fast stream has a central application process having a single thread for it is sensible, but with other areas being so diverse it seems sensible to create separate threads for separate issues. Effectively, if all civil service questions and discussions go in two threads, the forum will likely end up with very few threads.

    Having said that, I think a thread to highlight other routes into the civil service is a great idea. I just wonder why there's a need to put all non-fast stream posts in one thread.
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    (Original post by Drogue)
    Just thinking, wouldn't that mean almost every other thread in this forum should be in this thread?
    Local Govt and politics would also be out of this thread. It doesn't stop people having a new thread. it would help to have a thread of 'collected knowledge'. I'm easy either way though.
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    Right well I am a non-FS. Started this year so I am still in my probation so pretty new to it all.

    Maybe I am not standard as I have a PhD, but I have applied for FS in my final year at uni, during my masters and final year of PhD and never got in. But now I am on a higher salary than FS and from what it seems I could be on to a good thing.

    So long and short, FS is not always the way.

    From application to start was 9 months. The interview and task took about 5 hours in all. I would recommend looking at the civil service job vacancy boards and also the departments (sometimes they sneak on there without making it to the central govt place...thats where I found mine).

    Another mate now in DWP also got in the same way after years of FS, but again he has a masters.

    Also if you really want to get in to fast stream, internal applicants are often ring-fenced from what I can make out. A non FS entry would give you the experience of the department and would help in future application. Also do not forget the opportunity to do paid for PT study is excellent, which will possibly help you progress at a higher rate.
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    (Original post by flexiblefish)

    Also if you really want to get in to fast stream, internal applicants are often ring-fenced from what I can make out. A non FS entry would give you the experience of the department and would help in future application. Also do not forget the opportunity to do paid for PT study is excellent, which will possibly help you progress at a higher rate.
    This ^^^

    INternal applicant posts are ring-fenced, but you are stuck with your home department.
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    Another non-FS here. Temped for a year in my current department after university firstly as an AO for six months, then as an EO. Managed to get into a permanent post as an AO and have just passed my probation, and am now on the lookout for an EO promotion with the encouragement of my line manager. Applied for the FS a couple of times externally but never managed to get through - I'm kind of on the fence as to whether I'll try and apply again this year given that I feel pretty disheartened about the whole process, but I guess I'd be foolish not to even give it a go. I've met a few people who have worked their way up from the admin grades to SEO posts who are also university graduates, including my line manager, so I have plenty of evidence that FS isn't the only way route and way to progress in the Civil Service (though I'm still trying to work out my own!)

    One thing I would add about the in-service scheme for the FS is while it's another way of into the FS if you're really set on it, your home department doesn't have to run an in-service scheme every year. Mine has only just started to run it again after four years as they realised that they had too many fast streamers at one point, so they kept recruitment limited to taking some people from the centrally run scheme until numbers thinned out a bit.
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    (Original post by TerribleMess)
    I've met a few people who have worked their way up from the admin grades to SEO posts who are also university graduates, including my line manager, so I have plenty of evidence that FS isn't the only way route and way to progress in the Civil Service (though I'm still trying to work out my own!)
    Of course it isn't the only route, the only difference with fast stream is that its fast. How long did it take them to get to SEO?
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    (Original post by TerribleMess)
    Another non-FS here. Temped for a year in my current department after university firstly as an AO for six months, then as an EO. Managed to get into a permanent post as an AO and have just passed my probation, and am now on the lookout for an EO promotion with the encouragement of my line manager. Applied for the FS a couple of times externally but never managed to get through - I'm kind of on the fence as to whether I'll try and apply again this year given that I feel pretty disheartened about the whole process, but I guess I'd be foolish not to even give it a go.
    There is the internal route for the FS - assuming you pass any internal processes you get to go straight through to the FSAC

    I failed 6 EO promotion interviews as an AO before passing the FSAC and being promoted 2 grades to HEO.
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    (Original post by Quady)
    Of course it isn't the only route, the only difference with fast stream is that its fast. How long did it take them to get to SEO?
    It took them a while - something like 6-8 years I think, but I'm not sure how that compares to Whitehall departments. Hence why I'm still thinking about fast stream. I would be looking at the internal scheme if I were set on staying in my home department for the next few years, but that looks pretty unlikely for a number of reasons.
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    (Original post by Prince Rhyus)
    There is the internal route for the FS - assuming you pass any internal processes you get to go straight through to the FSAC

    I failed 6 EO promotion interviews as an AO before passing the FSAC and being promoted 2 grades to HEO.
    As someone who's looking at EO vacancies at the moment elsewhere as well as my home department, I'd be really interested to hear more about your experiences of trying to get that promotion when you were an AO. I know that probably comes across as pretty open ended, but I'd be grateful for any insight into the process Were you applying for promotions within your department or further afield? I'm pretty much set on looking for a transfer down to London for personal and professional reasons, but I wouldn't discount staying put if the right opportunity came up.

    I would have considered applying for this year's internal route for the FS if it weren't for the fact I was still on probation at the time.
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    I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts too PR as I started in the EO grade on Aug 3rd and am on probation for the next 6 months, will this give me enough time for a performance review to qualify for the in service application?

    I realise that this should more than likely go to my line manager but there seems to be a very real air of resentment towards the FS amongst a lot of my new colleagues so am wary about approaching the topic for now..

    also, are there any specific 'Learning & You' modules that you can take via Resource Management online to boost your chance of making the FS. I've already entered the fact I have a degree but am unsure whether this would even be taken into consideration for In-Service applicants.
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    (Original post by qwerty42)
    I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts too PR as I started in the EO grade on Aug 3rd and am on probation for the next 6 months, will this give me enough time for a performance review to qualify for the in service application?

    also, are there any specific 'Learning & You' modules that you can take via Resource Management online to boost your chance of making the FS. I've already entered the fact I have a degree but am unsure whether this would even be taken into consideration for In-Service applicants.
    The performance review will be March/April/May next year - you have your KWOs right?

    RM is DWP specific (and the cabinet office but they buy it from us, likewise DCSF by the end of the year). have a look through them anything around policy development/writing might be useful to keep your mind active.

    But they wont actively put you in a better position, the degree is ignored for both entrant methods - for externals its just a tick box that you have one.
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    ah ok thanks, guess that was an assumption that RM was service wide.

    sorry, KWO's?

    Apologies for the ignorance so far its just that for the last week RM seems to have been down, we have had incorrect staff numbers and various other computing / clerical issues for the past week.

    The actual training or information about personal development etc hasn't really even started!
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    (Original post by qwerty42)
    ah ok thanks, guess that was an assumption that RM was service wide.

    sorry, KWO's?

    Apologies for the ignorance so far its just that for the last week RM seems to have been down, we have had incorrect staff numbers and various other computing / clerical issues for the past week.

    The actual training or information about personal development etc hasn't really even started!

    Key Work Objectives, ie what you will be measured against, you also need a PDP - Personal Development Plan.

    RM is much better than it was a few months ago
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    haha yeah i've been told that RM has been much much worse!


    Thanks for the helpful advice, I hope you don't mind but I may pick your brains over the coming months..

    I'm looking forward to getting started properly and I guess I'm just wary about not appearing grateful at having a good job for a graduate of my age in the current climate, but at the same time ensuring that line managers know of my ambition to be nominated for the FS.

    A lot of my fellow new EO's in training have worked their way up from AA or AO, so that only adds to my desire to not appear ungrateful!
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    (Original post by qwerty42)
    haha yeah i've been told that RM has been much much worse!


    Thanks for the helpful advice, I hope you don't mind but I may pick your brains over the coming months..

    I'm looking forward to getting started properly and I guess I'm just wary about not appearing grateful at having a good job for a graduate of my age in the current climate, but at the same time ensuring that line managers know of my ambition to be nominated for the FS.

    A lot of my fellow new EO's in training have worked their way up from AA or AO, so that only adds to my desire to not appear ungrateful!
    Have you/are you going to apply externally?
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    I am considering applying externally if only for the experience of the whole thing and on the chance I may get in first time.

    But, having managed to find the reports on the recruitment, it is fairly obvious that if nominated you stand a much better chance through the in service route.

    I'd also like to think that some time working as an EO, however short, might serve me better in the long term.
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    (Original post by qwerty42)
    I'd be interested in hearing your thoughts too PR as I started in the EO grade on Aug 3rd and am on probation for the next 6 months, will this give me enough time for a performance review to qualify for the in service application?

    I realise that this should more than likely go to my line manager but there seems to be a very real air of resentment towards the FS amongst a lot of my new colleagues so am wary about approaching the topic for now..
    You might want to speak to the person in your HR who manages the FS cohort in your department. I'd heard that it used to be the case that it was preferred that you had 12 months of service before applying for the in service nomination, but my home department's probationary period is 9 months. The FS coordinator in my department gave a strong indication that they might have waived the 12 months in service requirement and accepted applications from people who had finished their probation - but that isn't a standard thing across departments as far as I understand, so it's worth checking out.
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    Hiya,

    Just curious what degrees you took to join the civil service.
    Please respond,

    Magic!
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    (Original post by Magic-Shoes)
    Hiya,

    Just curious what degrees you took to join the civil service.
    Please respond,

    Magic!
    Chemistry. Fast Stream though.
 
 
 
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