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    (Original post by Schleigg)
    But you weren't one of those people who would join but never go flying...?

    :erm: What would that have to do with having training nights away from the base?
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    (Original post by Schleigg)
    Unless you're Aircrew, in which case you get 1 year as APO, then one year as Plt Off and 2 years as Fg Off.
    I wouldn't know - they would have been issued the ego first which prevented them talking to non-aircrew males for the duration.
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    (Original post by sarzbabe)
    According to the website, only 14 uni's have a UAS - my uni isn't one of them, unfortunately. We only have the OTC - and i don't fancy joining the army.
    If you get a bursary you will be expected to travel to the nearest UAS ie you will create an additional university affiliated to the UAS, although it won't necessarily mean the UAS becomes available to non bursary students at your uni. You could also ask the nearest UAS if you can join even though they don't serve your uni at the moment.
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    Not being funny but don't even worry about finishing uni. It's a pointless exercise and will remain that way for a good decade or so until the government realises that sending 75% of everyone that elaves school to uni is not the way forward and ti reverts back to only the cleverst go to uni, the others work towards apprentaships. Join the RAF, uni is only good for the p**s up. Trust me i've been.
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    RODDUZ, your logic is deeply flawed on three counts.

    1) At the moment, the accepted wisdom is that, if you can, you go to university. Until that happy day where they realise it's rather pointless putting 50% of the population through university, and other forms of education start getting proper support and respect again, anyone who HASN'T been is at a disadvantage.

    2) Going to university and dropping out is possibly worse than not going at all - it reflects very badly on your ability to see things through, and possibly on your academic ability as well.

    3) University is not just about the p**s up. The degree may not be worth what it once was, but university offers opportunities to get involved in all kinds of sports and activities, get loads of experience, have a crack at experiencing "leadership" and "responsibility", meet new people, and broaden your horizons.

    University is what you make it. If it isn't for you, don't go. But going to university is still very worthwhile, as long as you're prepared to put the effort in. And quite honestly, if you're the kind of person who won't bother to make the most of your university opportunities, you're also more likely to struggle with the RAF - both during the application, and later in your career.
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    I disagree with some of that and agree with some of it. The 50% that don't go to univeristy will be in a better position as they'll go get a trade if they have anything about them and will have no debt and a job basically. The 50% that go to uni will come out the other end after 3/4 years... to no job. Easy choice if I had to make it again.

    On point 2, depends what your reason for dropping out if for? If it's to drop out and go on the dole then yes your right, if it's to drop out and go make a very succesful career for yourself in the RAF or similar then it's a very wise decision!

    The P**s up part was a joke. I was slightly annoyed by this point at how pathetic our government are at providing advice and realistic options for people making these decision.
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    (Original post by RODDUZ)
    I disagree with some of that and agree with some of it. The 50% that don't go to univeristy will be in a better position as they'll go get a trade if they have anything about them and will have no debt and a job basically. The 50% that go to uni will come out the other end after 3/4 years... to no job. Easy choice if I had to make it again.
    Why do you naturally assume the people who've been to uni don't have anything about them to go find a job/trade? You say those that don't go to uni will find a job... What makes them special? There are plenty who'll go to uni to get a degree that will see them better placed to get a job, not worse.

    You're making a lot of generalisations and not very much sense, frankly.
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    (Original post by RODDUZ)
    I disagree with some of that and agree with some of it. The 50% that don't go to univeristy will be in a better position as they'll go get a trade if they have anything about them and will have no debt and a job basically. The 50% that go to uni will come out the other end after 3/4 years... to no job. Easy choice if I had to make it again.
    Funding for other avenues isn't always as freely available as you imply, unfortunately. It's very difficult for a lot of people to find a decent apprenticeship - even good candidates are struggling in some places. (This leaves aside potential earning power for graduates vs non-graduates, which is falling but still higher, and eventually ought to outweigh the debts - again, if you've got anything about you.) And no matter what you may hear, plenty of people are still leaving university and getting a decent job. Guess which ones those are? The ones who put in the effort - both academically, and in their other activities.

    On point 2, depends what your reason for dropping out if for? If it's to drop out and go on the dole then yes your right, if it's to drop out and go make a very succesful career for yourself in the RAF or similar then it's a very wise decision!
    Assuming you aren't medically discharged / decide you don't like it / have to leave for any other random reason, or your amazing business idea fails, and you find yourself with not one, but two things on your CV that didn't work out, plus student debt clocked up before you quit your degree - and suddenly you find you're at worse than square one again. Completing your degree is a safety net, apart from anything else.

    The P**s up part was a joke. I was slightly annoyed by this point at how pathetic our government are at providing advice and realistic options for people making these decision.
    I missed the humour, sorry. The advice is there, even if the options for those dropping out are generally limited or even negative. It's up to the individual to take responsibility for their decision and explore the options open to them.

    I think the point is that, whatever path you choose, you ought to make the most of it, and if you do, you should still reap the rewards. Even now, though, I think you can still say that those rewards are likely to be greater for graduates.

    Dropping out of university is an extremely serious step to take.
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    There's not 40+ people applying for each apprentaship place, there are for graduate jobs.

    I don't see a degree as a safety net at all. I have a degree in a pretty decent subject froma decent university, but it's pretty worthless I'd say. Wouldn't change the 4 years I spent at uni for the world though. Awesome times.

    All I'm sayin is in the context of the opening post it'll do the OPer very little harm to drop out and go in the RAF. Perhaps stay at uni whilst getting in the RAF. I wouldn't advise dropping out to do nothing.

    I'm just sick of people seeing university as this good option, it's not really, it's becoming the only option! Which is shocking! People go to uni nowadays with some of the poorest GCSE grades and crap qualifications such as VCEs etc. What going to happen when the 50% of people taht now go to uni graduate? Do you really think they're going to be better placed than the 50% that didn't go to uni?! I think not.
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    (Original post by RODDUZ)
    All I'm sayin is in the context of the opening post it'll do the OPer very little harm to drop out and go in the RAF.
    And I disagree. Firstly the RAF might question why he's dropping out, and secondly it might not work out even if he does get in.

    Even if he does get away with "very little harm", think how much more benefit he'd get by just getting on with it and finishing.
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    There's positives and negatives I agree. Depends if he's unhappy at uni really. If not I'd prob stick it out myself if I didn't have long left. But if I was unhappy there no way would I.
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    Point was, though, that the OP was unsure whether or not they had to get the degree when in the RAF, rather than joining with one, as they were mistaking professional training with their degree training.

    As that has been categorically dispelled, the OP's best course of action is to continue with the degree that they actually like and want.
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    Agreed. I was just having a rant at the state of this country's education system basically. Cooled down a bit now and it is pretty stupid to drop out of university.
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    Well, yes and no. People have reasons for doing so and there's no reason why they can't be just as successful without degrees.

    As I'm hoping to prove.
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    (Original post by Schleigg)

    You probably wouldn't get any money from them if you wanted to be a Physical Education Officer studying Latin, for example. With regard to attending "RAF-linked" universities, that's tosh
    The "RAF Linked Universities" you speak of, are for DTUS members. Defence Technical Undergraduate Scheme. This is a tri-service scheme, for potential engineering officers to study an approved engineering / science degree at an approved university. There are 6, Newcastle, Northumbria, Loughbrough, Southampton and Aston. There is also an affliation with Oxbridge, Imperial and UCL.

    Most students on this scheme wil have attended Welbeck Defence Sixth Form College, but not all. The application for this is though your parent organisation (RAF, Army, Navy or MoD) and for the RAF involves OASC as usual. It pays slightly more than a standard bursary, but you are expected to attend more events though the year, and has a much bigger millitary element to it (being tri-service) than UAS.

    For a standard bursary, the spectrum of branches is much broader (I'm not an expert so do not know which offer bursarys) and the subject is almost irrelevent (unless of course its required for your branch)
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    (Original post by ProStacker)
    6 months Acting Pilot Officer, 2 years Pilot Officer, 4 years Flying Officer.
    Thanks for the clarification PS.

    Just out of curiosity, do the 6 months APO (or 1 year for A/C), start from the moment of graduation, or from commencement of specialist training? i.e. does the time spent on hold go toward this, as it's my understanding that a lot of holds are quite lengthy! I know someone who graduated IOTC13 in March and is still on hold now, poor gal...
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    (Original post by Sam-J-Jewell)
    Thanks for the clarification PS.

    Just out of curiosity, do the 6 months APO (or 1 year for A/C), start from the moment of graduation, or from commencement of specialist training? i.e. does the time spent on hold go toward this, as it's my understanding that a lot of holds are quite lengthy! I know someone who graduated IOTC13 in March and is still on hold now, poor gal...
    Its from graduation, you're commissioned after IOT. The Phase 2 trg is a completely separate entity.
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    Cheers Schleigg, good to put the bits of info I had together to make sense :top:
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    If you are at Sheffield as your profil says OP, you would be a member of Yorkshire University Air Squadron, which flies out of Church Fenton which is near Tadcaster. Can't remember where YUAS go for their town nights though.
 
 
 
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