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    (Original post by MichaelG)
    I cannot speak for any political left members. My observations lead me to believe that left of centre politics all contain a running theme; elements of jealously toward those with a greater fortune (for material success is greatly important) and an insistent, core belief that humans are all altruistic.
    Good post.
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    (Original post by Fusion)
    Good post.
    Its just what i interpret, i spend a lot of time trying to gain some understanding, so i can see 'where they are coming from'. i don't personally support left ideals because they are of no practical use to me in my current social, moral and economic situation.
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    To quote the historian Arnold Toynbee,

    The twentieth century will be chiefly remembered by future generations not as an era of political conflicts or technical inventions, but as an age in which human society dared to think of the welfare of the whole human race as a practical objective
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    We just want more reasons to give away our money to the government so the (rightist) Labour and Conservative politicians can spend it on moats and porn :holmes:
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    (Original post by Fusion)
    Wouldn't You be the first to complain if your colleague was paid more for working less hours? Because I would! That's the difference between the lefty and others.

    No, because I'd rather be paid based upon the value I created rather than the number of hours I work.
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    (Original post by Abhead)
    Yeah because the actual match it the only significant amount of time people give to being a professional tennis player :rolleyes:

    Do you think people who play really well and manage to finish matches quicker should be paid less?

    In answer to the original question, I can't speak for everyone but in my case it is a strong belief in fairness, and that everyone deserves a reasonable standard of living.
    Hehe, imagine that hourly wage.

    As for the actual point, I don't think it really matters. The OP hates lefties and won't have it any other way than them being the scum of the Earth. I used to be a leftie, but I've warmed to capitalism lately.
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    I agree completely with the OP. We inherited our estate, I think its a bloody liberty that we have to pay tax on it. And another thing, why am I being charged like three grand for university when some pleb with sit-at-home dole-queue parents pays a quarter of that amount, despite the fact that they simply want to go to university to piss around?

    Edit: before there are neg reps - i have no estate and there was a hint of sarcasm in the above post
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    My point is that the arguments presented here are to some extent reasonable, however it sounds like the sports team at a public school getting together to discuss why life should favour them because they had the money to recieve a good education. Some of the arrogance is mind-blowing. And also, the aggressive nature of the OP makes me wonder if this is a TROLL THREAD as it seeks to piss people off rather than to achieve a reasoned conclusion.
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    They aren't motivated, they expect other motivated people to provide for them.
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    The belief that people like the OP, far from being irredeemably retarded, are actually capable of being productive members of society :yes:
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    Most of them possess a modicum of decency and consideration for other people.
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    Jealousy?....oh dear, please read the following excerpt from an essay called "The Idea of Equality" by political philosopher Bernard Williams:

    Suppose that in a certain society great prestige is attached to membership of a warrior class, the duties of which require great physical strength. This class has in the past been recruited from certain wealthy families only; but egalitarian reformers achieve a change in the rules, by which warriors are recruited from all sections of society, on the results of a suitable competition. The effect of this, however, is that the wealthy families still provide virtually all the warriors, because the rest of the populace is so undernourished by reason of poverty that their physical strength is inferior to that of the wealthy and well nourished. The reformers complain that equality of opportunity has not been achieved; the wealthy reply that in fact it has, and the poor now have the opportunity of becoming warriors- it is just bad luck that their characteristics are such that they do not pass the test. "we are not" they might say, "excluding anyone for being poor; we exclude people for being weak, and it is unfortunate that those who are poor are also weak."


    As long as there are private schools in this country that masquerade as charities while working class kids get no help, I will lean to the left

    As long as the top ten percent of society pay less tax as a proportion of their income than the bottom ten percent, I will lean to the left

    And as long as their are right wing abominations like the original poster in this country, I will fight for the left.
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    (Original post by FredFurkin)
    As long as there are private schools in this country that masquerade as charities while working class kids get no help, I will lean to the left

    As long as the top ten percent of society pay less tax as a proportion of their income than the bottom ten percent, I will lean to the left

    And as long as their are right wing abominations like the original poster in this country, I will fight for the left.
    For the far, looney, power-crazed left, at that
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    (Original post by Janos_D)
    For the far, looney, power-crazed left, at that
    Power crazed? Hardly makes any sense. And i think most even moderate lefties would have a problem with being able to mark who will be successful and who will not be by the time they are 6 based on what school they go to. How can even an element of meritocracy exist in such a system?
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    (Original post by Cherry*)
    Most of them possess a modicum of decency and consideration for other people.
    No they don't. They seem to love denying opportunities to others, that not only have they benefited from, but also endow onto their children (private education etc).
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    Do people actually believe wealth strongly correlates with talent?
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    (Original post by BenjyUK)
    Do people actually believe wealth strongly correlates with talent?
    yes (perhaps not strongly). But causation goes both ways
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    (Original post by nexttime)
    Power crazed? Hardly makes any sense. And i think most even moderate lefties would have a problem with being able to mark who will be successful and who will not be by the time they are 6 based on what school they go to. How can even an element of meritocracy exist in such a system?
    What do you mean by meritocracy? Best person for the best job? Or if you mean children with most potential get jobs they "deserve" later on, then yes, meritocray will be skewed by private schools. But I just don't think that that is a reason for the government to close down schools preventing parents from sending their children to schools outside the state controlled system.

    You will also deny the country, and the world, the benefits of a well educated class of people. Yet again the (far)-left want to bring everyone down with them. It is quite undeniable that private schools provide world class education - indeed, that's your problem with it!
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    Lame thread. Lefty this, lefty that. Grow up.
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    Greed, selfishness and materialism, clearly.
 
 
 
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