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    (Original post by Captain Crash)
    For 20 years after the war, no private company would go near computers, and quite right too. They were anywhere near commercially viable until the 70s. The early stuff doesn't really classify as computers, but Babbage didn't develop it out of PGC, rather out of academic interest.
    Oh, indeed, they certainly weren't commercially viable until Bell Labs developed the transistor in the 70s. The currently existing mechanical computers -- based heavily on the designs of Babbage and Jaquard -- were more cost effective for any computation and tabulation that needed doing. Babbage did think he could make money with the Analytical engine, he just failed to find enough venture capital funding.

    Are you suggesting that we should spend money developing technology that we don't need? That we tax the poor into starvation to fund new ways for rich people to watch porn?

    (Original post by Captain Crash)
    The idea wasn't PGC
    Well, we'll never know, because the origins of the idea go way back into obscurity. :P "Prior-art" and all that jazz.

    (Original post by Captain Crash)
    Pharmaceutical companies have a habit of altering existing drugs for slightly better side-effects or bioabsorption. The original and fundamental breakthrough drugs (e.g. penicillin, cortisone) were all developed by scientists attached to (state run) universities. There are only a handful developed by the companies and these are usually very specific, low-impact drugs. The companies are very good at refining the methods and charging a fortune for them, but very little important research actually gets completed by them.
    What? Fleming is credited with discovering penicillin in his basement, and it was medically applied by scientists at Oxford University which is very very proud of the fact that it is not now, nor has it ever been "state run".

    Cortisone was discovered at a Swedish poly in 1950, and I don't know enough about the History of Education in Sweden to be able to say whether that was state run or not. The colleges in the US which helped develop the Internet and attendant technologies though are most certainly not state-run.
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    (Original post by sconzey)
    Oh, indeed, they certainly weren't commercially viable until Bell Labs developed the transistor in the 70s. The currently existing mechanical computers -- based heavily on the designs of Babbage and Jaquard -- were more cost effective for any computation and tabulation that needed doing. Babbage did think he could make money with the Analytical engine, he just failed to find enough venture capital funding.
    Bell labs developed the transistor in the 40s, not the 70s. Yet it wasn't until the 70s that computers were commercially viable, despite this.

    As for Babbage he tried to seek government funding thoughout his project. The reason the analytic machine was never built was because, on this occasion, state funding
    (Original post by sconzey)
    Are you suggesting that we should spend money developing technology that we don't need? That we tax the poor into starvation to fund new ways for rich people to watch porn?
    Computers are far more valuable than as a medium for porn. Indeed, the reason the state took them on is because of the military implications it could have. And I don't suggest we tax the poor into starvation - indeed the amount of tax that goes on R&D is negligible in the grand scheme of things
    (Original post by sconzey)
    Well, we'll never know, because the origins of the idea go way back into obscurity. :P "Prior-art" and all that jazz.
    Equally, we'll never know whether they were due to PGC, which is what the OP was implying.
    (Original post by sconzey)
    What? Fleming is credited with discovering penicillin in his basement, and it was medically applied by scientists at Oxford University which is very very proud of the fact that it is not now, nor has it ever been "state run".
    Fleming discovered penicillin in St Mary's Hospital basement (Imperial College). And it was at Cambridge, not Oxford (don't get those mixed up please :p: ) although both have been state funded for the modern period
    (Original post by sconzey)
    Cortisone was discovered at a Swedish poly in 1950, and I don't know enough about the History of Education in Sweden to be able to say whether that was state run or not. The colleges in the US which helped develop the Internet and attendant technologies though are most certainly not state-run.
    Most universities in Europe recieve significant state funding. US universities, whilst receiving more private income (mostly via fees) do receive a no insignificant amount from the government as well.
 
 
 
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