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  • View Poll Results: The government should only subsidise courses for people who have achieved an 'A'
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    (Original post by ish90an)
    A better idea would be to have different scores for different subjects. An A in Maths is obviously harder than an A in media studies so it should contribute more to your overall UCAS tariff. With unis asking for minimum tariffs instead of just an AAB regardless of what subjects you do, it would filter out those who only did easier subjects at A level and yet still manage to get in.
    thats a really good idea! i didnt think of that, even though i agree that an A in maths is much better than an A in general studies for example
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    (Original post by the_woozle)
    thats a really good idea! i didnt think of that, even though i agree that an A in maths is much better than an A in general studies for example
    It's subjective, though. For example, I'd find art and drama a million times more difficult than maths or english; whereas others might not.
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    depends: we need radiographers, nurses etc and they need to do courses which are taught at a higher level than anything they would learn at A level, thus they need to be taught in specialised institutions with decent facilities i.e. universities. However to be a brilliant nurse you simply do not need a single A at A level.

    Nevertheless what is the point of doing psychology at one of the worst universities in the country then going on to stack shelves in a supermarket before getting onto management training as you would have done a lot earlier had you worked in that supermarket from leaving school.

    It depends on the course entirely.

    However for the vast majority of courses at institutions not requiring As for any subjects I would agree with this statement: the degrees are so uselss that you simply do not need them as a qualification. People should be allowed to take them, but not subsidised by the taxpayer.

    Or alternatively degrees should be made a lot harder. I worked so much in my first year while a lot of people slacked off. Loads of people on my course and on most others in my university did the same. It was challenging and the skills we learnt ultimately were extremely useful, so the answer is to maybe make university the challenge it is supposed to be and then put off the people who just want to party, get drunk and waste the taxpayers money.
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    I am in favour of education for all who want it, but am aware of the financial reality of unviersity.

    I would be more in favour of educations (degrees and other qualifications) which are benifical to the country receiving more in the way of funding.

    Eg Medical professions, builders, engineers, farmers etc.

    History, english etc provide no direct benifit to the country and should therefore not receive as much funding.
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    Diasgree, but I think that if you cannot manage B grades at A Level you should seriously be questioning the merits of going to university. I went to a good school where university is the expected destination for pupils, and every year you saw a significant minority go and do courses they were only half hearteadly interested in a mediocre institutions simply because it was what the majority did, and it was a pity becuase uni was clearly not for them.
    There should be fewer universities in my opinion, and more professional courses instead. Seriously, what is the point of a course such as Real Estate Magement at university? Just go and work at an estate agents for god's sake! If uni courses had to prove that their courses significantly improved their graduates prospects of getting a graduate level job and earning more, then I think many of the most ridiculous courses would go. That way, hopefully, more money would be available to those students going on good academic courses and they would avoid having so much debt.
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    A problem with current courses is that a few of them are a bit to easy, to a point.
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    There are two points of view:

    Firstly, the "for"/ "pro-statement" argument is that if you cannot cope with the "rigour" of A-levels, and thus are unable to achieve at least 480/600, you could be seen as ill-prepared for the academic pressures of university life. In other words you are unlikely to do well in your degree compared to others at a greater aptitude or simply will do a "useless" degree.

    However, A-levels are not the perfect measure of intelligence, it is an imperfect way of assessing something which is highly subjective. Someone with an A a-level may lack the social intelligence or independent thinking required to excel in a university environment, we simply cannot take away oppurtunites from a B- (C-, D-)grade student based on A-levels - it is a total injustice.
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    (Original post by SpamBa)
    I think that if you cannot manage B grades at A Level you should seriously be questioning the merits of going to university.
    I don't think A levels are indicative of intelligence or ability to go to university. Then again I may be biased as I got CCD at A level and still got a first at degree level.
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    (Original post by koopa_coffee)
    I don't think A levels are indicative of intelligence or ability to go to university. Then again I may be biased as I got CCD at A level and still got a first at degree level.
    Where did you do your undergraduate degree?
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    Essex.

    May be barking up the wrong tree here, but do I detect the slightest bit of snobbery in that question?
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    (Original post by koopa_coffee)
    May be barking up the wrong tree here, but do I detect the slightest bit of snobbery in that question?
    No, I was just genuinely curious.
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    I disagreed on the grounds that I don't think the government should subsidise anyone going to university.

    It's your education and you're an adult now. Pay your own way.
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    (Original post by cpj1987)
    Disagree; simply because grades mean nothing.
    Well, they kind of do seeing as they form a large part of getting into uni. You can't just say that A grades mean nothing, just because you didn't get them doesn't mean you aren't clever blah blah, when you are willing to use B/C/D grades to go to uni. If grades meant nothing, they wouldn't use them as a system.
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    So they should let in someone with an ADD but not a BBB?
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    (Original post by Darkness and Mist)
    A-Levels =/= intelligence.
    This.
    There must be a reason why every first-year student is introduced to studying- you can be a complete moron in terms of developing own ideas, doing research, all you need it a basic understanding of how school works.

    Grades are so relative. Maybe not meaningless, but relative.

    Just compare German Abitur and A-Levels.
    It's way harder (WAY HARDER, almost impossible and very very rare) to get 1,0 which is equal to AAA. That's completely rubbish, considering the fact that over 10 different subjects are taken into account and that you are forced to do German, English and Maths plus another Science subject- if you suck in any of them-> **** happens.

    The ABCDEU-crap is totally overrated, though I believe that the application-system is a great thing.
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    Disagree, first of all the grade system is not applied evenly across all the schools so this says a limited amount about how well prepared and how capable they are for university. Secondly I believe in the philosophy of making university more accessible to the less likely candidates and buy in to the inequality of oppertunities argument. Thirdly from personal experience I know that university can be the making of some students, I myself achieved far better standards at university than at school, some people mature later.

    I will say however that certain degrees in university should be removed as they can perhaps be better catered at colleges or specialist colleges, there's really no need to get students in 20k of debt as well as reducing the research funding for other more academic degrees in order to open up the experience to those who wouldn't usually go.
    I may sound like a hypocrite as I had said I buy into the argument for opening up university places, let me explain. My belief is that more places should be available to bright students from poorer backgrounds or who didn't go to great school etc etc. However I don't think that the university should be forced to cater for courses that are not typical to university degrees, I'm talking about things like engineering or whatever, this is feelgood New Labour at it's worst.
 
 
 
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