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    Which he then gave to the poor, which is communistic.
    That is in no way communist, if anything its anarchy, but like someone has already pointed Robin Hood was a loayl supporter of Richard the Lionheart, the fact that he fought in the crusades verifies this.
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    Read my above post I say why I don't like communism. Basically would you want all your hard work and accomplishments to be worth less than if this was a democracy? Because in a basic communist state you wages are the same, your house is the same and your education is the same as everyone else. A lawyer makes the same as a farmer. Is that the kind of world you want? Because if your attacking my view that communism is wrong then do you believe there's something right with it?
    Yeh that would be fine with me....

    Communism is also more democratic that capitalist society, as the means of production is controlled by the workers, under liberal democracy, there is an oligarchy of the rich and powerful...
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    I think it's a fantastic story.
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    (Original post by Jaager)
    I would, the only reason i dont shoplift is not out of the shame of sealing from a big company, but im preventing those employed there from getting payed...



    Thats just stupid, in a communist (and i mean communist not soviet marxist leninist) society, you would be rewarded for your hard work.
    No you wouldn't, you may get some recognition and some respect maybe. I believe you would rewarded more in a democracy. And Marxism-Leninism is still a communist ideology.
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    (Original post by Lessthanzero)
    That is in no way communist, if anything its anarchy, but like someone has already pointed Robin Hood was a loayl supporter of Richard the Lionheart, the fact that he fought in the crusades verifies this.
    Socialist anarchism is to be exact, either way the message of story has communist beliefs and Robin Hood did some anarchist actions.
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    No you wouldn't, you may get some recognition and some respect maybe. I believe you would rewarded more in a democracy.
    OK stop using the word democracy, when you are refering to capitalism.

    Communism can be democratic (Zapatistas)

    Capitalism can exist under a dictatorship (Pinochet)

    Communism can be undemocratic (Stalin)


    What you are refering to as communism, is the soviet brand.

    This is called marxism-leninism or stalinism.

    To many people Stalinism isnt socialist/Communist

    Some call it state capitalism, as instead of the capitalist class, the means of production and control over the surplus capital is in the hands of the state aparatus, as was the case in the USSR and still the case in Cuba.

    Some believe Stalinism is a different mode of production altogether, it is not capitalist but it is also not socialist, as the beurocracy is in charge not the working class.
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    I think it's a good idea :ninjagirl:
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    (Original post by Unknown?)
    Socialist anarchism is to be exact, either way the message of story has communist beliefs and Robin Hood did some anarchist actions.
    it has no communist beliefs its a fairy tale
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    Read my above post I say why I don't like communism. Basically would you want all your hard work and accomplishments to be worth less than if this was a democracy? Because in a basic communist state you wages are the same, your house is the same and your education is the same as everyone else. A lawyer makes the same as a farmer. Is that the kind of world you want? Because if your attacking my view that communism is wrong then do you believe there's something right with it?
    What's wrong with a lawyer earning the same as a farmer? Without the farmer, the lawyer would starve. Without the Lawyer the farmer cannot hope for justice, so surely the two rely on each other? I feel that it would also be fair if everybody had the same education, as that gives everyone a fairer chance of success, one which is dependent on their own performance instead of who their parents are.
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    (Original post by Jaager)
    OK stop using the word democracy, when you are refering to capitalism.

    Communism can be democratic (Zapatistas)

    Capitalism can exist under a dictatorship (Pinochet)

    Communism can be undemocratic (Stalin)


    What you are refering to as communism, is the soviet brand.

    This is called marxism-leninism or stalinism.

    To many people Stalinism isnt socialist/Communist

    Some call it state capitalism, as instead of the capitalist class, the means of production and control over the surplus capital is in the hands of the state aparatus, as was the case in the USSR and still the case in Cuba.

    Some believe Stalinism is a different mode of production altogether, it is not capitalist but it is also not socialist, as the beurocracy is in charge not the working class.
    Good points though stealing from the rich and giving to the poor leans towards the commonly known form of communism whereas democracy is associated more with capitalism.
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    Robin himself was rich and a nobleman, when he returned from the 'holy war' the people that left to look after his lands (sherif of nottingham) had started taking money that he didnt deserve from the towns folk that earned the money themselves. Robin Hood then decided to steal the money back from the rich, namely the sherif, and gave it back to those who deserved it. The story doesnt promote communism, it shows that those who do not deserve money dont get it.
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    (Original post by BibblyBobbly)
    What's wrong with a lawyer earning the same as a farmer? Without the farmer, the lawyer would starve. Without the Lawyer the farmer cannot hope for justice, so surely the two rely on each other? I feel that it would also be fair if everybody had the same education, as that gives everyone a fairer chance of success, one which is dependent on their own performance instead of who their parents are.
    I think that if you lived somewhere in the old eastern block and you spent years to get the qualifications to become a lawyer you would feel a sense of injustice that no matter how hard you work the farmer will always earn the same as you. Its funny how on the internet where people don't know you people defend communism but if you were asked would you like in a communist country people would say no and in real life most people you ask won't even support it.
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    Good points though stealing from the rich and giving to the poor leans towards the commonly known form of communism whereas democracy is associated more with capitalism.
    or in the context in which robin hood did it, it is actually in a form that would support the capitalist idea of charity. Communists dont believe in charity, under communism there would be no need, under capitalism there is a need because thats the only way poor people will recieve basic services like health and education (this is in a completely capitalist society not a mixed economy like the UK.)

    Robin hood - Disposesed Noble Supporter of the "true King", was a member of the ruling class.

    Robin Hood steals from the currupt government

    Robin hood giving money to the poor is a charitable act.

    So could happen within a capitalist society.

    I would debate you on the idea that capitalism is democratic. Personally I believe that the capitalist system can never be democratic. But thats an arguement for a different thread (Check out the Critique of Libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism thread in UK politics subforum.)
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    (Original post by anxty)
    Robin himself was rich and a nobleman, when he returned from the 'holy war' the people that left to look after his lands (sherif of nottingham) had started taking money that he didnt deserve from the towns folk that earned the money themselves. Robin Hood then decided to steal the money back from the rich, namely the sherif, and gave it back to those who deserved it. The story doesnt promote communism, it shows that those who do not deserve money dont get it.
    Lots of people in the world today get more than they deserve and I agree that should earn what they get but the world isn't like that. The peasants should have helped themselves and revolted instead of relying on Robin Hood. Its like a communist government giving money to its people. And I'm sure in stories Robin Hood also stole from any rich person who was passing through the woods, doesn't seem very heroic to me.
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    I like communism.
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    (Original post by Unknown?)
    Lots of people in the world today get more than they deserve and I agree that should earn what they get but the world isn't like that. The peasants should have helped themselves and revolted instead of relying on Robin Hood. Its like a communist government giving money to its people. And I'm sure in stories Robin Hood also stole from any rich person who was passing through the woods, doesn't seem very heroic to me.
    You keep applying modern day to the equation when this in fact happened over 800 years ago where society and culture was completely abstract from what it is today. The peasents could not rebel, as for starts there was not enough of them to do so. If you applied that to moden day they would cetainly face impriosnment, back then they would have faced capital punishment. You cannot expect the proloteriat to rebel, they cannot rebel they have no conciouness to do so.
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    (Original post by Jaager)
    or in the context in which robin hood did it, it is actually in a form that would support the capitalist idea of charity. Communists dont believe in charity, under communism there would be no need, under capitalism there is a need because thats the only way poor people will recieve basic services like health and education (this is in a completely capitalist society not a mixed economy like the UK.)

    Robin hood - Disposesed Noble Supporter of the "true King", was a member of the ruling class.

    Robin Hood steals from the currupt government

    Robin hood giving money to the poor is a charitable act.

    So could happen within a capitalist society.

    I would debate you on the idea that capitalism is democratic. Personally I believe that the capitalist system can never be democratic. But thats an arguement for a different thread (Check out the Critique of Libertarianism and anarcho-capitalism thread in UK politics subforum.)
    I also consider charities to be somewhat communistic. I'm not saying charities are bad compared with total communism but distributing resources evenly among the population with no regard for each person's skills, status and position leans towards socialism while competing and accumulating resources leans towards capitilism.
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    (Original post by Lessthanzero)
    You keep applying modern day to the equation when this in fact happened over 800 years ago where society and culture was completely abstract from what it is today. The peasents could not rebel, as for starts there was not enough of them to do so. If you applied that to moden day they would cetainly face impriosnment, back then they would have faced capital punishment. You cannot expect the proloteriat to rebel, they cannot rebel they have no conciouness to do so.
    Well I'm obviously looking at the story from todays standards, communism didn't exist back then. If the peasants couldn't revolt then there is nothing they can do, whoever rules has the power.
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    I think that if you lived somewhere in the old eastern block and you spent years to get the qualifications to become a lawyer you would feel a sense of injustice that no matter how hard you work the farmer will always earn the same as you. Its funny how on the internet where people don't know you people defend communism but if you were asked would you like in a communist country people would say no and in real life most people you ask won't even support it.
    Are you trying to imply I only hold my left wing views on the internet? I often have heated discussions with the more right wing friends of mine, and I can say I am unashamed to believe all people should have equal opportunity.

    I can't say whether I would want to live in communist country, as I have never experienced it. The idea of everybody being equal is a very noble one though, and I would have no problem in earning the same as everybody else. The farmer works bloody hard too, and he'd probably say it isn't right that he has to work from dawn until dusk knee-deep in pig's **** in the pouring rain whilst the lawyer gets the same for arguing with people. Surely somebody should do a job because they enjoy it, not because the ultimate aim is money? Because if you believe the best motivation for doing a job is so you can earn a lot more than everybody else, doesn't that just show that your motivation for capitalism is pure, selfish greed, and threfore your opposition to communism is also greed?
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    (Original post by Unknown?)
    Well I'm obviously looking at the story from todays standards, communism didn't exist back then. If the peasants couldn't revolt then there is nothing they can do, whoever rules has the power.
    Exactly so the story of Robin Hood is not communist
 
 
 
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