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    Ever since Barack Obama got elected everyone seems to have gone left wing.
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    (Original post by Sharpshooter)
    Ever since Barack Obama got elected everyone seems to have gone left wing.
    Certainly not in the UK, if you're considering the entire population. Europe and most especially the UK seems to have veered further to the right, as demonstrated by the EU and UK council election results.
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    (Original post by Simplicity)
    I think you can construct a society. Obviously by a revolution. Training people in for example CBT, logic and stuff like method of loci would be a good start.

    I don't know about that. Free market is to chaotic espically in a global level. Obviously, it would be better to not use game theory to model society.

    Obviously, I'm not saying that. But, society itself makes the highest aspirations of people to own stuff, be rich and buy stuff . Yet I think science should be the main focus of society.

    For example, JSA. Whats the point of it? The money would be better spent by the Government forcing the person to work in big schemes like for example Nazi Germany or community service. Or maybe have a scheme that makes a person work in a company but the government pays the person JSA for it.
    I think that even a revolution is organic, and comes from years of dissatisfaction with current regimes. The governments which are then formed tend to be based around pre-existing ideas. The only time (I can think of) in which a society was "constructed" was Germany after WW1, which resulted in gross inefficiency.

    I do understand what you mean about JSA. Although I'm still undecided on the topic of welfare, and how it should be regulated/distributed. Your feelings about our prospective pursuit of science are also fair. However, the USSR was similar, both in its pursuit of science, and its mobilization of workers. Despite this, they were "beaten" by the Americans, both economically, and even scientifically (though i guess both of these points could be contested.)

    And its just the way things are, that most people will see education as a means to an end. Although a science-centric society would seem utopic, most people (myself included) don't have the mental capacity required to breach the finer details of string theory, or the potential existence of the Higgs Boson. Whereas everyone can want to make their house look nice.
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    yes, it seems I will be stricken with being left handed for the rest of my days....
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    (Original post by Norfolkadam)
    I expect so my father is a Socialist and my mother is fairly apolitical. Plus she'll be dead anyway since I'll be an old man.
    Like father like son. Can't you socialists think for yourselves for a change?
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    (Original post by usainlightning)
    Like father like son. Can't you socialists think for yourselves for a change?
    My dad's dead and he never talked to me about politics. I only found out his political persuesions after his death and by then I'd already become a Socialist.

    I think the whole "like father like son" thing is much worse in right-wing households
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    (Original post by Norfolkadam)
    My dad's dead and he never talked to me about politics. I only found out his political persuesions after his death and by then I'd already become a Socialist.
    Then, why did you say 'is' instead of 'was'?
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    (Original post by Sharpshooter)
    Ever since Barack Obama got elected everyone seems to have gone left wing.
    Barack Obama is not left-wing. The democrat party are more right-wing than the conservatives over here. He has increased the threshold for the top rate of tax and consistenly states that investors and entrepreneurs are what made america great.
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    I want someone to do an in-depth study to find out what happens to all of those people who leave far-left groups. There must be loads of ex-SWPers out there - why did they leave? Did they turn NuLab?
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    I thought this was about left handed people
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    (Original post by Shalarmay)
    Then, why did you say 'is' instead of 'was'?
    Not sure actually, slip of the .. tongue I suppose.
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    Yep, my right hand is useless at everything.
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    (Original post by Shalarmay)
    Certainly more than you possess.
    Doubtful, you're not a very good troll.
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    (Original post by Shalarmay)
    Or will your views change when you emerge from your ivory tower, AKA cushy university accommodation and enter the real world?
    Most university educated lefties end up as middle aged, middle class bank managers and accountants who secretly vote BNP.
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    (Original post by **** Valentine)
    Yep, my right hand is useless at everything.
    Well, maybe not everything.

    Anyways, I'm a big fan of Barack Obama, but I'd never consider moving to the dark side of the political compass. That is to say, I'll be voting right-of-centre for my whole life. Because I'm in this life for myself and I don't care to be restricted by some sort of higher power.
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    (Original post by Prince Rhyus)
    I want someone to do an in-depth study to find out what happens to all of those people who leave far-left groups. There must be loads of ex-SWPers out there - why did they leave?
    They just grew up. You can't stay a child forever.
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    I was more of a lefty a few years ago, now I'm more towards the center but I'd never be proper conservative - they all unfortunately seem quite bitter and don't appreciate how much more difficult things are for poorer people.
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    (Original post by MichaelG)
    Churchill once said;

    if a man isn't socialist by the time hes 20, then he is without a heart.
    if a man isn't conservative by the time hes 30, the he is without a brain.

    Everyone grows up eventually!

    I´ve just turned 18 and I´m a conservative :eek:

    Is there any hope for me?
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    (Original post by MichaelG)
    Where has capitalism failed?
    Football for a start.
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    (Original post by FredFurkin)
    you're right! You've just converted me, I'm now right wing, and consequently hate all foreigners, employ a team of wealth planners so that I pay zero tax on my millions made from investment banking (misusing other people's money) and park outside of jobcentres in my bling BMW X5 just to annoy the underserving poor...oh, no wait, I think I'll stay on the left actually
    Because being Left-wing means you love freedom of speech and equality and right wing means the complete opposite. :rolleyes:

    Where would Stalin or indeed the Libertarian political stance fit into your black and white political world?
 
 
 
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