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    I love the "Jutsu" arts as they are the most comprehensive, immersive and practical arts on the planet. They are related too which means I can train Ninjutsu, JuJutsu and AikiJuJutsu at different schools without too many problems. I havent started the Aiki just yet but I can't imagine it clashing anyway. However with any art you must find good instruction and you must have realism introduced.

    Secondarily I like Silat, Kali, Muay Thai, BJJ... I try to train these around my Jutsu stuff but its very sporadic.

    MMA (commonly MT and BJJ crosstrainers) style training will make you a good fighter and your conditioning will be excellent. However its tailored to sports/ring/cage fighting. Anyone that tells you "90% of fights go to the ground" is wrong. My last streetfight involved bricks and an iron bar... not to mention multiple people. Good luck going to ground in the real world!

    Saying that, MMA has introduced very practical sparring rulesets not to mention much more focus on conditioning techniques.

    I honestly believe that whilst some arts are better than others (IMHO) it is the person that counts. A well conditioned, well motivated and spatially aware human being is a force to be reckoned with regardless of the art.

    PS Get your own heavy bag... best purchase of my life.
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    I did Taekwondo up to black belt level, it was alright but one used too much padding and it's totally useless in any real life situations. If I were you I'd do kickboxing or something like Krav Maga.

    Don't do a martial art if you just want to learn how to 'defend yourself' or 'stand up for yourself in a bar' as you're rarely going to be attacked in any way fairly in anyway expecting it. The last fight I saw went Him: push, Other guy: punch. End. The person who hits first always wins unless you're a pussy, so 'learning' to fight isn't much use.
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    (Original post by h0ple55)
    I did Taekwondo up to black belt level, it was alright but one used too much padding and it's totally useless in any real life situations. If I were you I'd do kickboxing or something like Krav Maga.

    Don't do a martial art if you just want to learn how to 'defend yourself' or 'stand up for yourself in a bar' as you're rarely going to be attacked in any way fairly in anyway expecting it. The last fight I saw went Him: push, Other guy: punch. End. The person who hits first always wins unless you're a pussy, so 'learning' to fight isn't much use.

    So basically the police, special forces and other units who are taught techniques so that they can handle themselves is totally useless ?

    Martial arts is the best way in learning to defend oneself, so what do you recommend then ? and its not always the person who hits first wins they are all myths and I have heard them countless number of times who ever hits first or whoever hits the hardest wins.

    Also I would like to add, please don't give advice if you don't know what your talking about.
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    (Original post by h0ple55)
    I did Taekwondo up to black belt level, it was alright but one used too much padding and it's totally useless in any real life situations. If I were you I'd do kickboxing or something like Krav Maga.

    Don't do a martial art if you just want to learn how to 'defend yourself' or 'stand up for yourself in a bar' as you're rarely going to be attacked in any way fairly in anyway expecting it. The last fight I saw went Him: push, Other guy: punch. End. The person who hits first always wins unless you're a pussy, so 'learning' to fight isn't much use.
    What about people who are attacked by criminals? What about people harassed by a gang of youths? What about women who are attacked by a rapist? What about people working in security or on the doors?

    For example as a doorman the locks and holds JuJutsu would teach you are invaluable in terms of controlling an aggressive person without having to smash their skull to pieces first.

    There is much more to the world, in terms of violence, than the monkey dance of two males. Sorry to disagree! :cool:
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    (Original post by cousto)
    in your opinion what is the best martial art and why
    There is none, it does not exist. Its what works for you, what are your goals and what would you like to get out of your training ?

    Are you looking for an offensive/defensive art ?

    Some arts take longer to get a grasp of such as Aikido, very effective in real but it takes a long time to see the effects and benefits of your training.

    Have a look at what you want, and then take yourself down to a few clubs, most of them usually offer the first lesson free, take a few lessons and see if its for you, if you like it then stick with it. But remember train hard so that it becomes second nature, good luck and let us know how you get on.
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    (Original post by guvnor)
    So basically the police, special forces and other units who are taught techniques so that they can handle themselves is totally useless ?

    Martial arts is the best way in learning to defend oneself, so what do you recommend then ? and its not always the person who hits first wins they are all myths and I have heard them countless number of times who ever hits first or whoever hits the hardest wins.

    Also I would like to add, please don't give advice if you don't know what your talking about.
    The police have batons, riot gear and armor. People aren't likely to randomly attack police.

    If you think you know better than me fine. Do your martial arts and time will tell whether they're the perfect and complete defense that you make them out to be
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    (Original post by h0ple55)
    The police have batons, riot gear and armor. People aren't likely to randomly attack police.
    Then why are they given extensive training in self defence and are equipped with body armour, ASPs, CS gas, etc?
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    To be honest its much more likely that the police will randomly attack a member of the public... anyone remember the guy who died in London after being smashed round the head with a baton whilst trying to walk past a protest?

    The days of the helpful british bobby are pretty much over. Viva la 1984.

    Martial Arts will help you defend yourself that is a given, this is why it was taught to generations of battlefield participants all over the globe for millennia. Nobody said it will make you invulnerable or you that you'll subdue hordes of "baddies" like in the movies... it will simply improve your ability to protect yourself and also OTHER PEOPLE.

    However, its also about teaching a mindset, it's about self discipline, it's about meeting new people, learning to have respect for others, it's about conditioning your body, it's about the health benefits..... it's also about HAVING FUN!!!
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    (Original post by Main_Du_Bois)
    To be honest its much more likely that the police will randomly attack a member of the public... anyone remember the guy who died in London after being smashed round the head with a baton whilst trying to walk past a protest?

    The days of the helpful british bobby are pretty much over. Viva la 1984.
    One extreme accident condemns a whole occupation?

    Absolute arse gravy.
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    (Original post by h0ple55)
    The police have batons, riot gear and armor. People aren't likely to randomly attack police.

    If you think you know better than me fine. Do your martial arts and time will tell whether they're the perfect and complete defense that you make them out to be
    I never said martial arts is a full defence, you talk about time just because you saw two kid spush and shove each other, by the way thats not a fight

    Having some kind of experience/techniques under your belt is better with having nothing, and no its not a waste of time, I know many people who's lives have been saved by martial arts, I also happen to train with a guy who is a police trainer in London, not useless until you have the seen the other side of the coin.

    Police might have gear but they are still taught in how to use them, armed or un-armed and thats where training comes into play.
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    (Original post by ch0c0h01ic)
    One extreme accident condemns a whole occupation?

    Absolute arse gravy.

    The nature of policing has changed a lot over the past 30 years, I'd know because two members of my family are policemen! My uncle won a bravery award in fact..

    "He earned the coveted title for putting his own life in jeopardy to disarm a gunman who led him on a high speed car chase through Worcester and terrorised Christmas shoppers when he produced a gun in a pedestrianised area.

    Despite having no means of contacting his force for armed back-up when his radio became inoperable, the unarmed officer and married father-of-two launched himself at the offender who had threatened him with the gun. The officer rugby tackled him to the ground and restrained him with help from two shoppers.

    Upon arrest, it was discovered the 28-year-old gunman was wanted by for stabbing someone days earlier. Constable Fielding was unaware of this when he initially tried to flag down the offender after becoming suspicious of his car in traffic."

    HOWEVER... they treated my uncle like **** after that and I've been to protests and I know exactly what the police can be like. I've seen a policeman punch a middle aged lady in the back of the head for putting her foot over an imaginary line he said could not be crossed. The fact is many of them are just people on a power trip.

    It's MUCH worse in other countries.
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    (Original post by Main_Du_Bois)
    The nature of policing has changed a lot over the past 30 years, I'd know because two members of my family are policemen!
    Who said any differently?

    (Original post by Main_Du_Bois)
    HOWEVER... they treated my uncle like **** after that and I've been to protests and I know exactly what the police can be like. I've seen a policeman punch a middle aged lady in the back of the head for putting her foot over an imaginary line he said could not be crossed. The fact is many of them are just people on a power trip.
    There are bad apples in every tree but they're a minority and they are not representative of the whole. With family and friends in the job you should know that first hand and you should be supporting them, not spouting rubbish which undermines their hard work.

    What you're saying is little different to me stereotyping all protesters as violent vandals.
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    (Original post by ch0c0h01ic)
    There are bad apples in every tree but they're a minority and they are not representative of the whole. With family and friends in the job you should know that first hand and you should be supporting them, not spouting rubbish which undermines their hard work.
    I don't believe it is a minority. My experience has shown me otherwise. So i'll continue to "spout" what I see to be true.
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    (Original post by Main_Du_Bois)
    I don't believe it is a minority. My experience has shown me otherwise. So i'll continue to "spout" what I see to be true.
    ...and from mine and the majority of other people's experience it's untrue.

    It's no coincidence that the vast majority of people who have negative experiences at the hands of the Police also have criminal records.

    NB: I am not saying that you are a criminal or have a criminal record.
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    (Original post by Guvnor)
    So basically the police, special forces and other units who are taught techniques so that they can handle themselves is totally useless ?

    Martial arts is the best way in learning to defend oneself, so what do you recommend then ? and its not always the person who hits first wins they are all myths and I have heard them countless number of times who ever hits first or whoever hits the hardest wins.

    Also I would like to add, please don't give advice if you don't know what your talking about.
    he's referring to tae kwon do as a martial art which is common knowledge that it's pretty useless in real life
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    all martial arts are good. No single martial art is the best it depends on the martial artist.
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    (Original post by Guvnor)
    So basically the police, special forces and other units who are taught techniques so that they can handle themselves is totally useless ?

    Martial arts is the best way in learning to defend oneself, so what do you recommend then ? and its not always the person who hits first wins they are all myths and I have heard them countless number of times who ever hits first or whoever hits the hardest wins.

    Also I would like to add, please don't give advice if you don't know what your talking about.
    where's your proof that special forces use martial arts? They are taught basic street fighting techniques as they are the best.
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    Anyone who says martial arts are good for self defence- your wrong. They'll give you false confidence and make you feel invincible when it comes to a fight. If you want to learn how to fight, and use techniques that work, head down the town on a friday night.
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    (Original post by tsunamarama)
    where's your proof that special forces use martial arts? They are taught basic street fighting techniques as they are the best.
    Proof ? I think you need to get out a bit more...

    I train with a instructor who is a police trainer in JJJ and I have trained before with members of the police.

    Just do a basic google search and you will see for yourself, also if you know anybody in the army/police or any other specialist unit you can ask them
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    (Original post by tsunamarama)
    Anyone who says martial arts are good for self defence- your wrong. They'll give you false confidence and make you feel invincible when it comes to a fight. If you want to learn how to fight, and use techniques that work, head down the town on a friday night.
    What proof have you got that martial arts are wrong for self defence ?

    Yes I agree with you that it gives you a false sense of confidence, but then again it teaches you skills that can save your life, I know a few people have used their skills (martail arts) and come out alive.

    Being street wise does give you an advantage but it does not mean you know how to apply yourself to the situation when your usually outnumbered or on the floor or when your life is in danger, if you train hard enough thats when your training kicks in.

    All special units in the world train in different different martial arts and usually in a mixture of them, the Israelis are famous for Krav Maga, Ju jitsu came from the Japanese when they did not have weapons to fight with, there are many others which specialist units use such as FMA,BJJ, etc .
 
 
 
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