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    How can learning how to fight (using a system that thousands of people have been using for hundreds of years) be a bad thing for self-defense?

    I'm looking into learning Krav Maga, I've found a few places that teach it here in the Midlands and am just waiting for some response back from them before I commit. I used to do karate when I was a kid, but I wasn't disciplined enough to stick with it and have forgotten most of the kata's I learned, there's just a few things that I remember primarily from reflex.

    I want to get 'back into' a martial art mainly for the fitness that would be required, I've really let myself go and I need something to work towards so I can get back into the shape I was two or three years ago, a martial art would give me that.
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    (Original post by HeliWolf)
    How can learning how to fight (using a system that thousands of people have been using for hundreds of years) be a bad thing for self-defense?

    I'm looking into learning Krav Maga, I've found a few places that teach it here in the Midlands and am just waiting for some response back from them before I commit. I used to do karate when I was a kid, but I wasn't disciplined enough to stick with it and have forgotten most of the kata's I learned, there's just a few things that I remember primarily from reflex.

    I want to get 'back into' a martial art mainly for the fitness that would be required, I've really let myself go and I need something to work towards so I can get back into the shape I was two or three years ago, a martial art would give me that.

    Krav Maga is an excellent art just be wary of those instructors out there that are clearly after your money and claim to be ex-commandoes when they are clearly not, many of them have been exposed. So just be on your guard and good luck with your training
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    (Original post by Guvnor)
    What proof have you got that martial arts are wrong for self defence ?

    Yes I agree with you that it gives you a false sense of confidence, but then again it teaches you skills that can save your life, I know a few people have used their skills (martail arts) and come out alive.

    Being street wise does give you an advantage but it does not mean you know how to apply yourself to the situation when your usually outnumbered or on the floor or when your life is in danger, if you train hard enough thats when your training kicks in.

    All special units in the world train in different different martial arts and usually in a mixture of them, the Israelis are famous for Krav Maga, Ju jitsu came from the Japanese when they did not have weapons to fight with, there are many others which specialist units use such as FMA,BJJ, etc .
    most martial arts require the opponent to attack first, like karate. It's all mechanical as well as it requires the attacker to do something in a certain way so your attacks work, plus you'll remember hundreds of moves you're taught in a dojo so youll still be there thinking leaving your attacker to get you. Also, a lot of people try and do all the elaborate moves in a street fight to try and make themselves look like bruce lee, when in fact you'll probably fall over doing a tornado kick etc.
    experience is the only way to learn how to fight. There are no set moves to fighting, as you use what is right for the moment. If you're outnumbered you dont fight you run. If there's two people or more, no matter how experienced you are, you run.

    Yes Israel use krav maga but it most militaries don't use martial arts. They use they're own styles of defence designed for the battlefield, not for fighting on the street or in a dojo. If you read Andy Mcnab's books he talks about how hand to hand fighting is not elaborate, you do what will get you out of the situation as quickly as possible; not staying and fighting. They become efficient at using elbows and palm strikes, not martial arts. Its more about training the mind, as if you dont think you will win you wont.
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    (Original post by tsunamarama)
    most martial arts require the opponent to attack first, like karate. It's all mechanical as well as it requires the attacker to do something in a certain way so your attacks work, plus you'll remember hundreds of moves you're taught in a dojo so youll still be there thinking leaving your attacker to get you.
    If you think, you die. That's a common thread throughout combat... though you do have time to make micro-decisions. i.e. groin is open... strike groin.

    In budo you are never told to memorise techniques, only my westernised jiu jitsu club tries to drill that into us... the idea is to learn body mechanics so that you will be intuitively aware of how to manipulate your attackers. This only comes with years of practice however. There are right and there are wrong ways to teach martial arts so I think it's unfair to paint with a broad brush.

    (Original post by tsunamarama)
    experience is the only way to learn how to fight. There are no set moves to fighting, as you use what is right for the moment. If you're outnumbered you dont fight you run. If there's two people or more, no matter how experienced you are, you run.
    I pretty much agree with all of that. However you might not be able to run or you may be with someone who you need to defend.

    (Original post by tsunamarama)
    Yes Israel use krav maga but it most militaries don't use martial arts. They use they're own styles of defence designed for the battlefield, not for fighting on the street or in a dojo.
    Martial comes from Mars, the God of war. What these militaries are teaching even if its only bayonet fighting is still a martial art. Not wanting to be picky or anything.

    (Original post by tsunamarama)
    If you read Andy Mcnab's books he talks about how hand to hand fighting is not elaborate, you do what will get you out of the situation as quickly as possible; not staying and fighting. They become efficient at using elbows and palm strikes, not martial arts. Its more about training the mind, as if you dont think you will win you wont.
    Again, if you train yourself to use elbows and palm strikes you are training martial arts. I know what you're saying though, there are differing levels of martial art in terms of depth, i.e. kickboxing will never have the depth ninjutsu does. This is not a measure of effectiveness but one of history, philosophy and breadth of technique.

    What you say about the mind is indeed crucial, this concept is well known in any martial art of any value. In Japanese budo you would aspire to "fudoshin" or "immovable heart". There are many other states that are discussed too.

    Warfare is very old and it is foolish to judge the value of the old arts based on popular modern conceptions.
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    (Original post by tsunamarama)
    most martial arts require the opponent to attack first, like karate. It's all mechanical as well as it requires the attacker to do something in a certain way so your attacks work, plus you'll remember hundreds of moves you're taught in a dojo so youll still be there thinking leaving your attacker to get you. Also, a lot of people try and do all the elaborate moves in a street fight to try and make themselves look like bruce lee, when in fact you'll probably fall over doing a tornado kick etc.
    experience is the only way to learn how to fight. There are no set moves to fighting, as you use what is right for the moment. If you're outnumbered you dont fight you run. If there's two people or more, no matter how experienced you are, you run.

    Yes Israel use krav maga but it most militaries don't use martial arts. They use they're own styles of defence designed for the battlefield, not for fighting on the street or in a dojo. If you read Andy Mcnab's books he talks about how hand to hand fighting is not elaborate, you do what will get you out of the situation as quickly as possible; not staying and fighting. They become efficient at using elbows and palm strikes, not martial arts. Its more about training the mind, as if you dont think you will win you wont.

    The reason why most martial arts require the opponent to attack is so the technique can be learnt and perfected. If your doing it 100mph for the first time you will never learn and will end up injuring yourself and your training partner. I am not saying Karate is bad, but I am not fan of it, at the end of the day its what works for you, I don't like fancy moves I prefer it short sharp and simple, and thats why I train in JJJ and FMA. In jjj we are taught not even to kick above knee level as it is dangerous and leaves you open if your opponent grabs your leg, I am not saying its perfect but I have seen it work, you can easily snap somebodys arm in a matter of seconds or do a hip throw or one of the other locks, if it works for the police and all the other professionals then yeah its good enough for me too

    Yes I agree with you that there are loads of moves and you start thinking, but then the whole purpose of training is that you dont freeze in that situation and from that point onwards your training should kick in if you have trained hard enough in the dojo. In JJJ we have a lot of locks, throws, holds and strangles etc, when I was strangled for the first time I almost passed out because my partners grip was too tight, later on my Sensie explained to me that the whole point is you get used to being touched/hit like that and that is the whole point of training, that when somebody does something or something happens you go into training mode instinctly without thinking. Its like driving a learner thinks to himself whilst approaching a bend, okay what gear am I in ? time to lower to second gear, whilst stopping then to first, but a driver who has been driving he just does it without thinking, the same goes for training as it becomes second nature just like driving does

    Experience is the way forward but with direction, you go out there your lucky you get away your not you'll end up getting your head kicked on. Unfortunately the reason why people tend to train in a controlled environment is to prepare them for the real things thats why many dojos/gyms try to make it look live/real as possible. Depends on what you train and where you train and what you want out of it, if thats not the case then perhaps you should look at somewhere else to train. Another reason why people like controlled environments rather then going out brawling on a friday night, is that many people are mature professionals in their respective fields, many are family men/women and have careers and they can't go in work the following die looking a total mess. There also many other reasons and I could go on forever, but the main point is to get a feel of the real thing and to be prepared for it, because thats what martial arts should do.

    Life is mean sometimes and there is no option of running as your outnumbered, cornered or your life is in danger, choosing to die on your feet or on your knees is a option you have , I certainly know which one I would choose regardless and if I get out of it I will consider myself lucky, but I don't want to be in a situation where you wished perhaps you could have done something about it at least a little something and I am sure many other people would feel the same way.

    Most martial arts were developed by people for the battlefield and they have evolved over thousands and thousands of years and go back centuries, as back then there was proper battlefields and wars not like today. But in a way you can say today's battlefield is the streets and you do what you have to do to get out alive its as simple as that. If they are good enough to work on the battlefield then they are good enough for the street, but first thing don't get involved only if you have to or if your life or a loved ones life is in danger. Many specialist units still use martial arts and like I said they mix and match take different things from different martial arts, the guy that I train with he runs special courses for police officers they get taught the main things and things they need to know whilst we go through the syllabus and work from belt to the next belt. Martial art systems are used and taught all over the world and the people that are good at them are highly skilled and effective. If they were not worth it they would have disappeared a long time ago.

    I have read many of his books and tbh I am not a big fan of his books, but yeah I agree its about training your mind, but then again you need to learn certain techniques to be aware of them and the way you toughen your mind varies for different people, but mostly its through tough exercise and pushing yourself to the limits. You do what you have to do to get out of the situation but sometimes you have to fight and for that you have to be prepared otherwise your going down, its harsh but its a fact.You do what you have to do.
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    oh for :snow::snow::snow::snow: sake..... i think this thread is stupid...there is no 'best' martial art. u cant compare the art, only the artists.

    its like saying bruce lee beat up a bunch of japs in fist of fury, therefore obviously jeet kune do >> karate, jiu jitsu, aikido and kendo

    if we're talking about practicality or how cardio intense it is then fair enough
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    (Original post by Guvnor)
    Krav Maga is an excellent art just be wary of those instructors out there that are clearly after your money and claim to be ex-commandoes when they are clearly not, many of them have been exposed. So just be on your guard and good luck with your training
    Yeah that's why I'm waiting for more info before I sign up to 'study'. A few years back I was going to start KM and the instructor seemed like a really cool guy, claimed he was an ex-Aman operator (Israeli military intelligence), turns out he was a computer programmer who had never set foot in Israel. The one guy I'm looking at now seems like the real deal though, accredited by some famous KM schools in the US.
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    (Original post by HeliWolf)
    Yeah that's why I'm waiting for more info before I sign up to 'study'. A few years back I was going to start KM and the instructor seemed like a really cool guy, claimed he was an ex-Aman operator (Israeli military intelligence), turns out he was a computer programmer who had never set foot in Israel. The one guy I'm looking at now seems like the real deal though, accredited by some famous KM schools in the US.
    a good way of telling if a school is legit is if they have a fight team or not, if they don't and claim it is "against their policy" or some other BS then I'd steer clear of them
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    (Original post by Main_Du_Bois)
    What about people who are attacked by criminals? What about people harassed by a gang of youths? What about women who are attacked by a rapist? What about people working in security or on the doors?

    For example as a doorman the locks and holds JuJutsu would teach you are invaluable in terms of controlling an aggressive person without having to smash their skull to pieces first.

    There is much more to the world, in terms of violence, than the monkey dance of two males. Sorry to disagree! :cool:
    Hahaha, nonsense, got my SIA license and we only had to learn a few mandatory holds, none of this jiu jitsu :snow::snow::snow::snow::snow::snow::snow::snow:. Most are simply to ensure the individual can be removed safely without risking injury to oneself or the person in question. There is a lot of idiocy out there, people who proclaim the understanding of martial arts will make them street fighting gods. The only individuals who think like this are those who have been cushioned and believe the :snow::snow::snow::snow: the see in Hollywood movies. When in predicament you're pretty much relying on your strength and your luck, if you have neither then god help you.
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    (Original post by Bishamon)
    Hahaha, nonsense, got my SIA license and we only had to learn a few mandatory holds, none of this jiu jitsu :snow::snow::snow::snow::snow::snow::snow::snow:. Most are simply to ensure the individual can be removed safely without risking injury to oneself or the person in question. There is a lot of idiocy out there, people who proclaim the understanding of martial arts will make them street fighting gods. The only individuals who think like this are those who have been cushioned and believe the :snow::snow::snow::snow: the see in Hollywood movies. When in predicament you're pretty much relying on your strength and your luck, if you have neither then god help you.
    He means those locks will be invaluable if learnt by a doorman, bearing in mind many doormen do use those techniques. He never said anything that on the SIA course you are taught those locks and holds
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    (Original post by Bishamon)
    Hahaha, nonsense, got my SIA license and we only had to learn a few mandatory holds, none of this jiu jitsu :snow::snow::snow::snow::snow::snow::snow::snow:. Most are simply to ensure the individual can be removed safely without risking injury to oneself or the person in question. There is a lot of idiocy out there, people who proclaim the understanding of martial arts will make them street fighting gods. The only individuals who think like this are those who have been cushioned and believe the :snow::snow::snow::snow: the see in Hollywood movies. When in predicament you're pretty much relying on your strength and your luck, if you have neither then god help you.
    How do you get an SIA license? Curiousity is too fleeting for me to be arsed to research.
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    (Original post by Guvnor)
    What proof have you got that martial arts are wrong for self defence ?

    Yes I agree with you that it gives you a false sense of confidence, but then again it teaches you skills that can save your life, I know a few people have used their skills (martail arts) and come out alive.

    Being street wise does give you an advantage but it does not mean you know how to apply yourself to the situation when your usually outnumbered or on the floor or when your life is in danger, if you train hard enough thats when your training kicks in.

    All special units in the world train in different different martial arts and usually in a mixture of them, the Israelis are famous for Krav Maga, Ju jitsu came from the Japanese when they did not have weapons to fight with, there are many others which specialist units use such as FMA,BJJ, etc .
    No, its largely irrelevant and useless. You see, I bet hardly any of the commenters here are actually any good at the amrtial arts the speak so highly of. Fools with misunderstandings of the benefits of the combative arts go into dojo's thinking they will be able to defend themselves from hordes of attackers, and more often than not these are the individuals who drop out the first.

    Martial arts are not about improving one's "streetfighting" prowess rather instilling discipline and allowing for further development in the individuals chosen art. Yes there are elements that may be useful but on the whole its still highly irrelevant in a brawl where one could see any number of attackers, being a judo champion for instance does not make you impenetrable to knives, one in the back and you're history. People speak highly of defence techniques taught in the military but these are still among personnel who are clearly far more disciplined and understanding of the elements of unarmed engagement than the average recreational biweekly enthusiast. I also understand much of it relies on the element of surprise.
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    (Original post by Bishamon)
    No, its largely irrelevant and useless. You see, I bet hardly any of the commenters here are actually any good at the amrtial arts the speak so highly of. Fools with misunderstandings of the benefits of the combative arts go into dojo's thinking they will be able to defend themselves from hordes of attackers, and more often than not these are the individuals who drop out the first.

    Martial arts are not about improving one's "streetfighting" prowess rather instilling discipline and allowing for further development in the individuals chosen art. Yes there are elements that may be useful but on the whole its still highly irrelevant in a brawl where one could see any number of attackers, being a judo champion for instance does not make you impenetrable to knives, one in the back and you're history. People speak highly of defence techniques taught in the military but these are still among personnel who are clearly far more disciplined and understanding of the elements of unarmed engagement than the average recreational biweekly enthusiast. I also understand much of it relies on the element of surprise.
    Urm, and your point is ?
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    (Original post by Guvnor)
    Urm, and your point is ?
    The debate is pointless and many of the comments here are idiotic, 99% of street engagements do not involve a single attacker and even if it did that attacker would be carrying a weapon if the situation was serious. When this happens your safest bet are kevlar gloves, even some hardened practitioners will tell you this. Even in cases of rapes, ones safest bet is to not fight back and endure the attack, in most cases when one attempts to they only risk doing themselves further harm.

    In most other cases the situation is merely based upon machismo, several individuals attempting to look "hard" but are largely impotent due to their cowardice.

    I've done security with some "interesting" people, yes, many of them have taken part in various martial arts but it is hardly what makes them "threatening" so to speak. Man's greatest attribute in his dominion over animals is his mind and his mouth, these are still our greatest tools. One can talk himself out of any situation.
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    (Original post by Bishamon)
    The debate is pointless and many of the comments here are idiotic, 99% of street engagements do not involve a single attacker and even if it did that attacker would be carrying a weapon if the situation was serious. When this happens your safest bet are kevlar gloves, even some hardened practitioners will tell you this. Even in cases of rapes, ones safest bet is to not fight back and endure the attack, in most cases when one attempts to they only risk doing themselves further harm.

    In most other cases the situation is merely based upon machismo, several individuals attempting to look "hard" but are largely impotent due to their cowardice.

    I've done security with some "interesting" people, yes, many of them have taken part in various martial arts but it is hardly what makes them "threatening" so to speak. Man's greatest attribute in his dominion over animals is his mind and his mouth, these are still our greatest tools. One can talk himself out of any situation.
    Well there are martial arts that teach you to deal with situations where you are faced with more then one attacker, the usual street scenario involving weapons etc. I am not saying it works 100% as nobody can guarantee that but it does to a certain degree and I know of many people who have lived to tell the story.

    At the end of the day if you think its good for you and you want to add some extra spice to your skill set then yeah go for it, but if one has your kind of thinking and you dont think you dont need it then don't, but if others want to go for something you should rather encourage rather then give negative comments.

    People train for a reason, not all of them can be stupid. It works for some and for some it does not and its simple as that.Nobodys advice is rubbish in this thread, its just that people have their own views with things and if somebody agrees with something there will always be somebody that disagrees.

    I have been in many street fights in my time and tbh most of them were unexpected, they were brutal and there were some lucky escapes. As a kid I used to get into a lot of fights something I am not proud off but its just the way things turned out to be, and you either stood your ground or you didn't. I got into martial arts a year ago and the only reason was I was training at the gym and I thought I could do with a skill set and haven't regretted it since then.

    But sometimes its inevitable then its up to you if you want to live on your feet or die on your knees. I have also worked on many doors around London and worked with many doormen who are brutal, the attrubute of the mouth is a good and very valuable one but only works in the security industry such as doors etc where you can blabber a bit and tell the other guy your being watched by cctv etc, in real life situations your mouth means nothing where the other guy or guys want your head. Then nothing will matter and maybe your training, be it martial arts, strength training etc.

    It works if it saves your life, you do what you think is best for you , if you think its useless and you dont need it then dont train in any martail art as no one will force you but dont try to put others off who genuinely want to learn.
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    (Original post by Bishamon)
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    Considering you've never met any of us on here, you seem to have a rather opinionated view of what we hold to be true. As my esteemed associate guvnor pointed out I said that JuJutsu and other locking systems can be invaluable to doormen restraining people. That is a truth, I train with a few doormen... I don't see why you feel the need to spill bile over that? It just comes across as ego.

    Whilst many people do have unrealistic expectations of what martials arts can do for them you are correct when you say that those people quickly fall by the wayside anyway. I've posted several times in this thread that my prime motivation for training is that it's fun, I like the people and it's good conditioning. Self defence is also a prime motivation but its the collection of all these factors that has kept me training for the past 6 years.

    Overall whilst some of your comments are indeed true, it's nothing people don't already know and you don't really come across well to me. Not that you'll care! :p:

    As for saying that females attacked by a rapist should not defend themselves, well thats complete crap.

    Rapists follow several different patterns of attack and therefore to say "don't bother making a fuss and just get it over with" is the height of ignorance. For example many rapists will flee if the woman makes enough noise. Rapists that present a weapon and then give instructions to the woman in order to secure privacy for the attack will not respond well to any resistance as their entire feeling of power depends upon utter compliance... this is part of what turns them on. You are correct that others will become angry and violent... but these types of attacker are a lower percentage than the pure intimidation breed as most rapists will convince themselves that the woman wants the rape to happen. You must also consider that compliance may result in death if the attacker is that way inclined too, its a choice the woman (or man tbf) must make. The chances are if the perpetrator is seeking privacy to conduct the attack it will be more horrific, these are factors that are important in gauging response.

    I suggest if you actually want to offer advice to people about very serious issues like this you may want to do some reading into the reality of how sexual assaults occur and the psychology of their perpetrators. Whilst far from an exact science overall findings suggest it is much better for your long term psychological health (let alone physical) to resist rape...

    I'm sorry for the lecture but having had a close female friend who was simply too scared to resist and spent years hating herself for this reason, handing out shoddy advice on the matter is guaranteed to irk me.
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    (Original post by Guvnor)
    Well there are martial arts that teach you to deal with situations where you are faced with more then one attacker, the usual street scenario involving weapons etc. I am not saying it works 100% as nobody can guarantee that but it does to a certain degree and I know of many people who have lived to tell the story.

    At the end of the day if you think its good for you and you want to add some extra spice to your skill set then yeah go for it, but if one has your kind of thinking and you dont think you dont need it then don't, but if others want to go for something you should rather encourage rather then give negative comments.

    People train for a reason, not all of them can be stupid. It works for some and for some it does not and its simple as that. Nobodies advice is rubbish in this thread, its just that people have their own views with things and if somebody agrees with something there will always be somebody that disagrees.
    Yeah people do train for a reason, to become better practitioners of their chosen skillset, not to become street fighting gods. As I stated the notion of "the greatest" martial art from one who hasnt mastered his own, let alone rigorously indulged upon others, is idiotic and irritating. I encourage people undertaking an art and improving their skill in this art, not endorsing immature stupidity, encouraging people who just want to beef up their "street skillz", thinking martial arts will do this and then dropping upon realising their misconceptions.

    (Original post by Guvnor)
    I have been in many street fights in my time and tbh most of them were unexpected, they were brutal and there were some lucky escapes. As a kid I used to get into a lot of fights something I am not proud off but its just the way things turned out to be, and you either stood your ground or you didn't. I got into martial arts a year ago and the only reason was I was training at the gym and I thought I could do with a skill set and haven't regretted it since then.
    You've had many street fights you say? Well done. I dont hold such feats, is that because of my size? No, its because I have an ability to diffuse situations quickly with reason and dialogue, I also dont go into venues looking for engagements.

    (Original post by Guvnor)
    But sometimes its inevitable then its up to you if you want to live on your feet or die on your knees. I have also worked on many doors around London and worked with many doormen who are brutal, the attrubute of the mouth is a good and very valuable one but only works in the security industry such as doors etc where you can blabber a bit and tell the other guy your being watched by cctv etc, in real life situations your mouth means nothing where the other guy or guys want your head. Then nothing will matter and maybe your training, be it martial arts, strength training etc.
    Where in London did you work? Alot of people have this ill-concieved idea that London is some kind of sprawling and limitlessly dangerous metropolis in which you will be mauled to death by ultra-violent new age street thugs by merely looking at them.

    (Original post by Guvnor)
    It works if it saves your life, you do what you think is best for you , if you think its useless and you dont need it then dont train in any martail art as no one will force you but dont try to put others off who genuinely want to learn.
    I have not attempted to put anyone off anything, though if they are having second thoughts by reading what I posted then they were never serious in the first place, I merely stated this debate was aft and that one should not go into a dojo thinking that he/she will suddenly walk out and be able to ward off multiple attackers like Batman. One doesnt undertake baseball thinking he will become highly proficient at killing people with bats, he does so to hone his skills in the sport he has chosen, the same should go for martial arts.
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    (Original post by Main_Du_Bois)
    Considering you've never met any of us on here, you seem to have a rather opinionated view of what we hold to be true. As my esteemed associate guvnor pointed out I said that JuJutsu and other locking systems can be invaluable to doormen restraining people. That is a truth, I train with a few doormen... I don't see why you feel the need to spill bile over that? It just comes across as ego.

    Whilst many people do have unrealistic expectations of what martials arts can do for them you are correct when you say that those people quickly fall by the wayside anyway. I've posted several times in this thread that my prime motivation for training is that it's fun, I like the people and it's good conditioning. Self defence is also a prime motivation but its the collection of all these factors that has kept me training for the past 6 years.

    Overall whilst some of your comments are indeed true, it's nothing people don't already know and you don't really come across well to me. Not that you'll care! :p:

    As for saying that females attacked by a rapist should not defend themselves, well thats complete crap.

    Rapists follow several different patterns of attack and therefore to say "don't bother making a fuss and just get it over with" is the height of ignorance. For example many rapists will flee if the woman makes enough noise. Rapists that present a weapon and then give instructions to the woman in order to secure privacy for the attack will not respond well to any resistance as their entire feeling of power depends upon utter compliance... this is part of what turns them on. You are correct that others will become angry and violent... but these types of attacker are a lower percentage than the pure intimidation breed as most rapists will convince themselves that the woman wants the rape to happen. You must also consider that compliance may result in death if the attacker is that way inclined too, its a choice the woman (or man tbf) must make. The chances are if the perpetrator is seeking privacy to conduct the attack it will be more horrific, these are factors that are important in gauging response.

    I suggest if you actually want to offer advice to people about very serious issues like this you may want to do some reading into the reality of how sexual assaults occur and the psychology of their perpetrators. Whilst far from an exact science overall findings suggest it is much better for your long term psychological health (let alone physical) to resist rape...

    I'm sorry for the lecture but having had a close female friend who was simply too scared to resist and spent years hating herself for this reason, handing out shoddy advice on the matter is guaranteed to irk me.
    Hardly shoddy advice, it was actually the met police who encouraged this a few years ago after seeing the sheer amount of damage done to rape victims who attempted to fight back, it extended far beyond vaginal tears. It would be great if I could fish out the comments but it'll take some time. I am sure those with countless experience of dealing with rapists and their victims, wouldnt be offering "shoddy" advice. My apologies to your friend, however I am sure one will not be concerning herself with the longterm psychological effects of a crime which is happening right before her, however this analysis is largely based upon educated guessing due to my limited knowledge in regards to the matter.

    Yeah, and most of my comments are true, sadly people are too stupid to apply them to their lives. Martial arts are a sport, you do a sport to become better at that sport, not to create a false sense of security which will only eventually come tumbling down.

    As you can tell I have something against people who take up martial arts for self-defence, you're right, I do. I think the aim is idiotic and all the successful practitioners I have seen had goals within the sport itself not outside it, people who wanted to better themselves and their skills, take this to a competetive level and achieve success.
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    Yeah people do train for a reason, to become better practitioners of their chosen skillset, not to become street fighting gods. As I stated the notion of "the greatest" martial art from one who hasnt mastered his own, let alone rigorously indulged upon others, is idiotic and irritating. I encourage people undertaking an art and improving their skill in this art, not endorsing immature stupidity, encouraging people who just want to beef up their "street skillz", thinking martial arts will do this and then dropping upon realising their misconceptions.



    You've had many street fights you say? Well done. I dont hold such feats, is that because of my size? No, its because I have an ability to diffuse situations quickly with reason and dialogue, I also dont go into venues looking for engagements.



    Where in London did you work? Alot of people have this ill-concieved idea that London is some kind of sprawling and limitlessly dangerous metropolis in which you will be mauled to death by ultra-violent new age street thugs by merely looking at them.



    I have not attempted to put anyone off anything, though if they are having second thoughts by reading what I posted then they were never serious in the first place, I merely stated this debate was aft and that one should not go into a dojo thinking that he/she will suddenly walk out and be able to ward off multiple attackers like Batman. One doesnt undertake baseball thinking he will become highly proficient at killing people with bats, he does so to hone his skills in the sport he has chosen, the same should go for martial arts.
    No my street fights were not down to me looking for trouble, I grew up in a very racist area and came across many racist white people, Barking was fully White dominated a couple of years back. You either fight or you give in, its your call I know which one I would take.

    I said I have worked at doors and security as you started of talking like your some kind of expert because you have happened to work in the industry with a few pros , big deal. No I dont think of London as some spawling dangerous metropolis I have lived here all my life and can take care of myself very well thanks, yeah I have worked at west ham football club, doors in around london, central, and some parts of essex including romford.

    I have found all your posts off putting and pretty negative that martial arts are negative and a complete waste of time, if somebody thinks they will become batman or superman after going to the dojo is deluded and I am sure that pretty much everybody here is an adult. Thats kids talk to be honest. I find that people are looking for genuine advice and your posts were not helpful, fair enough I understand where your coming from but next time try being a bit more clearer, thanks

    But I do agree with your post I have highlighted it in bold, no you dont become an expert bit it gives you a start and options to get out of that situation, diffuse it, and the confidence to deal with it if the :snow::snow::snow::snow: hits the fan without freezing.
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    No my street fights were not down to me looking for trouble, I grew up in a very racist area and came across many racist white people, Barking was fully White dominated a couple of years back. You either fight or you give in, its your call I know which one I would take.

    I said I have worked at doors and security as you started of talking like your some kind of expert because you have happened to work in the industry with a few pros , big deal. No I dont think of London as some spawling dangerous metropolis I have lived here all my life and can take care of myself very well thanks, yeah I have worked at west ham football club, doors in around london, central, and some parts of essex including romford.

    I have found all your posts off putting and pretty negative that martial arts are negative and a complete waste of time, if somebody thinks they will become batman or superman after going to the dojo is deluded and I am sure that pretty much everybody here is an adult. Thats kids talk to be honest. I find that people are looking for genuine advice and your posts were not helpful, fair enough I understand where your coming from but next time try being a bit more clearer, thanks

    But I do agree with your post I have highlighted it in bold, no you dont become an expert bit it gives you a start and options to get out of that situation, diffuse it, and the confidence to deal with it if the :snow::snow::snow::snow: hits the fan without freezing.
    The moment, fist lands on face you've shut the door on negotiations. People say it in Peckham, if you take a knife to the brawl, you better use it.
 
 
 
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