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    Hi, I'm a 35 year-old Canadian with a BA in History and a Master of Applied Linguistics. I have three offers for 2009, all are 2-yr. Qualifying degrees: a Senior Status LLB at Leicester, a 2-yr. MA Law at Sheffield and a 2-yr Master of Legal Science at Queen's University Belfast. My goal is to return to Canada and to become accredited here. Which one do you think I should do?

    Leicester

    Pro: High overall ranking, students seem to love it.

    Con: In the middle of nowhere, I can't pronounce Leicester properly.

    Sheffield

    Pro: Bit more Oomph to the name, I don't want to be an undergrad.

    Con: Student life looks less vibrant than Leic, can't find much information on the Law School online.

    QU Belfast

    Pro: Very good RAE 2008 results, I never thought I'd get an M.Sc. in anything.

    Con: Super high RAE not reflected in student satisfaction rankings.

    Anyone got a second?
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    (Original post by kcraigsejong)

    Sheffield

    Con: Student life looks less vibrant than Leic
    Well I can tell you right now that that isn't true :p:

    Sheffield is the fifth biggest city in England, and with two universities has a student population approaching 50,000. The student life is excellent, I assure you.
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    Wunderbar. Vielen dank.
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    i think it depends more on the course rather than the location/uni?
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    (Original post by kcraigsejong)
    I can't pronounce Leicester properly.
    Lester. Just ignore the 'eic'!

    On the topic of the courses, Leicester and Sheffield have broadly similar reputations. QUB just doesn't tend to come up much in England, though as you say it does have a decent reputation - I would have thought it mainly attracts local students.
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    (Original post by kcraigsejong)

    Sheffield

    Con: Student life looks less vibrant than Leic, can't find much information on the Law School online.
    As someone else said, this is completely untrue. I have visited Leicester on an open day and am a student at Sheffield and chose Sheffield precisely for the reason that Leicester seems lacking in vibrance and, in my opinion, much character and personality.
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    (Original post by kcraigsejong)

    Sheffield

    Con: Student life looks less vibrant than Leic, can't find much information on the Law School online.
    As someone else said, this is completely untrue. I have visited Leicester on an open day and am a student at Sheffield and chose Sheffield precisely for the reason that Leicester seems lacking in vibrance and, in my opinion, much character and personality.
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    (Original post by kcraigsejong)
    Hi, I'm a 35 year-old Canadian with a BA in History and a Master of Applied Linguistics. I have three offers for 2009, all are 2-yr. programs: a Senior Status LLB at Leicester, a 2-yr. MA Law at Sheffield and a 2-yr Master of Legal Science at Queen's University Belfast. My goal is to return to Canada and to become accredited here. Which one do you think I should do?

    Leicester

    Pro: High overall ranking, students seem to love it.

    Con: In the middle of nowhere, I can't pronounce Leicester properly.

    Sheffield

    Pro: Bit more Oomph to the name, I don't want to be an undergrad.

    Con: Student life looks less vibrant than Leic, can't find much information on the Law School online.

    QU Belfast

    Pro: Very good RAE 2008 results, I never thought I'd get an M.Sc. in anything.

    Con: Super high RAE not reflected in student satisfaction rankings.

    Anyone got a second?
    Pronounced LESS-TUR (just evenly emphasise both halves)

    It's brilliant as a LAw School - its the course I wish to proceed onto after I finish my undergrad degree .

    It's really not in the middle of nowhere in comparison to places such as St Andrews!
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    The most important thing is to check how far your English degree will get you in Canada. You may have to take additional exams, be assessed by the law society and/or take additional modules in Canadian law. I believe that it also depends on which province you want to go to. Sorry I can't be more specific than that....

    A LLB should be OK, possibly with one or two extra hurdles to jump. However, I am not sure about the MA or the Master of Legal Science. You need to check whether those courses will be credited in Canada: you may find that they won't get you very far and that you would be forced to take a LLB. Do check this.

    See http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=445763 - its an informative thread (though it is also negative... I have read a lot of positive stuff about lawyers going from England to Canada, so don't be put off).
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    (Original post by jacketpotato)
    The most important thing is to check how far your English degree will get you in Canada. You may have to take additional exams, be assessed by the law society and/or take additional modules in Canadian law. I believe that it also depends on which province you want to go to. Sorry I can't be more specific than that....

    A LLB should be OK, possibly with one or two extra hurdles to jump. However, I am not sure about the MA or the Master of Legal Science. You need to check whether those courses will be credited in Canada: you may find that they won't get you very far and that you would be forced to take a LLB. Do check this.

    See http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=445763 - its an informative thread (though it is also negative... I have read a lot of positive stuff about lawyers going from England to Canada, so don't be put off).
    Why do you think a two year LLB is likely to be better than a two year masters? I've never been clear what the actual difference is between them...

    To the thread starter: I may be biased I will be doing to Sheffield Law MA - but I was impressed when I went to their PG open day and the law school facilities are really smart - old red brick building, just been completely redone inside, got specialist mooting hall.
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    belfast is dear n expensive, doesnt live up to english couterparts on student life, with exception of holylands which can get bit nuts, i.e. nite car gt put on fire and the st paddys day riot...
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    (Original post by johnw1)
    Why do you think a two year LLB is likely to be better than a two year masters? I've never been clear what the actual difference is between them...

    To the thread starter: I may be biased I will be doing to Sheffield Law MA - but I was impressed when I went to their PG open day and the law school facilities are really smart - old red brick building, just been completely redone inside, got specialist mooting hall.
    I don't necessarily think the LLB will be "better", but you need to be absolutely sure that the Masters courses (Leicester LLB would be fine) count as "equivalent to a Canadian LLB" or whatever the CAB requirement is. Otherwise you will get to Canada with a useless piece of paper for the purposes of becoming a lawyer; and the academic requirements in this country might not be met either.

    A Masters is a advanced degree. What you will study completely depends on the individual course, you need to know what is on the courses you have applied to. A LLB is a foundatinoal law degree that will cover all the core English law topics: these are Property, Contract, Trusts, Constitutional, Tort, Criminal and EU law. If you don't do some the key foundational subjects, you will not be exempt from the conversion course in the UK and you probably won't have done something equivalent to the Canadian LLB which I'm pretty sure is required in Canada; and if this is the case the CAB will almost certainly require you to take those modules at a law school in Canada or even take a full LLB there. For the "Legal Science" Masters in particular, I would guess that it is probably unlikely that you would study all the foundational subjects.... if it doesn't cover those seven subjects, it probably won't count; and even if it does you need to check.

    The important thing is if you want to go to Canada, you need to know EXACTLY what the requirements are for the State you want to practice in. Crossing over is not necessarily easy. You need to be very careful that you meet the requirements. You can't just do a degree with law in the name and walk into practice - make sure you check this out properly.

    I'm afraid that is about all I know, you will need to use google and find out more; the CBA (Canadian Bar Association) site should point you in the right direction.
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    Suprisingly the Sheff MA Law doesn't seem to be well known but it's definitely a foundational law degree and all the necessary modules are covered to complete the academic stage for working as solicitor/barister in UK. I think Bristol do a Masters too as alternative to a 1 year conversion course. I just don't know what the difference is between a Senior Status LLB, an MA Law, or a Masters of Legal Science.... As far as I know they're all 2 years and all qualifying law degrees.
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    (Original post by kcraigsejong)
    Hi, I'm a 35 year-old Canadian with a BA in History and a Master of Applied Linguistics. I have three offers for 2009, all are 2-yr. programs: a Senior Status LLB at Leicester, a 2-yr. MA Law at Sheffield and a 2-yr Master of Legal Science at Queen's University Belfast. My goal is to return to Canada and to become accredited here. Which one do you think I should do?

    Leicester

    Pro: High overall ranking, students seem to love it.

    Con: In the middle of nowhere, I can't pronounce Leicester properly.

    Sheffield

    Pro: Bit more Oomph to the name, I don't want to be an undergrad.

    Con: Student life looks less vibrant than Leic, can't find much information on the Law School online.

    QU Belfast

    Pro: Very good RAE 2008 results, I never thought I'd get an M.Sc. in anything.

    Con: Super high RAE not reflected in student satisfaction rankings.

    Anyone got a second?
    Why don't you just do an LLb in Canada? Also, aren't you getting a bit old for this? I mean, FFS - don't you have a job to do or a family to feed or something? You can't stay a child forever you know.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    Why don't you just do an LLb in Canada? Also, aren't you getting a bit old for this? I mean, FFS - don't you have a job to do or a family to feed or something? You can't stay a child forever you know.
    Have you got nothing better to do than act like an idiot on an internet forum?
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    Thank you very much for all of the helpful advice and even for the unhelpful advice. (Is that possible?) They are all qualifying degrees in the UK; I should have said that. I have spoken with the NCA in Ottawa and they seem to think they will all fit the bill as they all have the same core courses but the PG degrees offer additional modules and dissertations. I will check this out very carefully again, though. I suppose I am looking for a bit of perspective on the cities, the universities, and pros and cons of grad school vs. another undergrad degree. It seems that some people like Leicester as a school, others like Sheffield as a city and the new Law Building looks nice but there are not too many rushing to QUB's defence. Thanks again.

    To Michael Caine: Canadian Law Schools have all turned me down twice due to a failed year on my undergrad 13 years ago and a couple of mediocre LSAT scores. (This is the part where you say that maybe I'm just mediocre, too.) My M.App.Ling. opens more doors for me in the UK than it does in Canada. Yes, I have a job to do but it's not one that I like very much. No, I don't have a family but I have been blessed with a very patient Irish girlfriend. My application to QUB was partly out of consideration for her. I can assure you that paying International Student Fees in the UK is not a job for a child. Is 35 really that old? Even Carter came out of retirement to do one last job up North.
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    Leicesters cool, i live there. Not bad night life in all fairness - numerous night-clubs, hundreds of students nights. It's not in the middle of no-where at all, it's an hours drive/train to London and most other major midlands cities - birmingham, nottingham, sheffield.
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    Cool. Some of my remarks were offhand, I just wanted to get people talking. Thank you for the thumbs up for Leicester.
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    (Original post by kcraigsejong)
    Thank you very much for all of the helpful advice and even for the unhelpful advice. (Is that possible?) They are all qualifying degrees in the UK; I should have said that. I have spoken with the NCA in Ottawa and they seem to think they will all fit the bill as they all have the same core courses but the PG degrees offer additional modules and dissertations. I will check this out very carefully again, though. I suppose I am looking for a bit of perspective on the cities, the universities, and pros and cons of grad school vs. another undergrad degree. It seems that some people like Leicester as a school, others like Sheffield as a city and the new Law Building looks nice but there are not too many rushing to QUB's defence. Thanks again.

    To Michael Caine: Canadian Law Schools have all turned me down twice due to a failed year on my undergrad 13 years ago and a couple of mediocre LSAT scores. (This is the part where you say that maybe I'm just mediocre, too.) My M.App.Ling. opens more doors for me in the UK than it does in Canada. Yes, I have a job to do but it's not one that I like very much. No, I don't have a family but I have been blessed with a very patient Irish girlfriend. My application to QUB was partly out of consideration for her. I can assure you that paying International Student Fees in the UK is not a job for a child. Is 35 really that old? Even Carter came out of retirement to do one last job up North.
    Good luck! And lol about the Leicester thing! I had the exact same problem, so I didn't apply there. And for my two cents, I'd do the LLB.

    Best of luck in your future studies! And you're never too old to learn. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise!
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    Thank you, Kirsty!
 
 
 
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