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    Why do I keep hearing and seeing new labour being referred to as centre-right on the political spectrum (as above and by people on TSR).

    In European Parliament they are part of the socialist affliations.
    "European affiliation-Party of European Socialists
    European Parliament Group - Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats".

    There actions are clearly socialist orientated; e.g nationalising the health service and banks, high taxes with lots of money in public services and higher tax rates for the rich. etc

    So why are they described as centre-right?
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    (Original post by t3h_y0u553f)


    Why do I keep hearing and seeing new labour being referred to as centre-right on the political spectrum (as above and by people on TSR).

    In European Parliament they are part of the socialist affliations.
    "European affiliation-Party of European Socialists
    European Parliament Group - Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats".

    There actions are clearly socialist orientated; e.g nationalising the health service and banks, high taxes with lots of money in public services and higher tax rates for the rich. etc

    So why are they described as centre-right?
    Nationalisation of the banks was driven out of necessity rather than ideology, the same thing happened in the States under Bush, who wasn't exactly a socialist.

    The NHS is part of the UK's postwar legacy and has been supported by both Labour and Conservative governments.

    New Labour have done several things which classify them as centre right. Initially shadowing Tory tax and spend plans in the first two years of government, giving independence to the Bank of England, massive PFI projects, not altering the anti-union laws brought in under Thatcher, Purnell and the welfare to work programs.

    You may or may not remember this whole thing called New Labour, which was basically Blair, Brown, Mandelson and Cambell gutting the Labour Party and installing a neo-Thatcherite set of policies (including a rewriting of Clause Four) whilst spouting guff about the "third way".
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    (Original post by t3h_y0u553f)


    Why do I keep hearing and seeing new labour being referred to as centre-right on the political spectrum (as above and by people on TSR).

    In European Parliament they are part of the socialist affliations.
    "European affiliation-Party of European Socialists
    European Parliament Group - Progressive Alliance of Socialists and Democrats".

    There actions are clearly socialist orientated; e.g nationalising the health service and banks, high taxes with lots of money in public services and higher tax rates for the rich. etc

    So why are they described as centre-right?
    You could say that their position in Europe is to appease their 'core' voters in quite a contentious topic whilst their actions do not mirror their ideology (ie being actually quite hesitant over the EU- ie Euro)...

    Nationalising the health service was quite some time ago now!!! Recently they've been using more centre-right policies like importing private companies (cleaning etc) and introducing market reforms.
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    It's all to do with them dropping their reformist socialist ideologies and moving towards new third way politics.
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    It's no wonder our approval ratings remain so low when people are only just beginning to understand the New Labour project 12 years after it began. The party has long since dropped large sections of the third way agenda and moved significantly to the left. Presumably by the time the great British public realise this, it will be about 2021, then.
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    (Original post by Andy the Anarchist)
    New Labour have done several things which classify them as centre right. Initially shadowing Tory tax and spend plans in the first two years of government, giving independence to the Bank of England, massive PFI projects, not altering the anti-union laws brought in under Thatcher, Purnell and the welfare to work programs.
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    What exactly were these anti union laws? I heard at one point she tried to ban them (no idea if this is true).

    P.S Sounds like your going to have fun with history and politics next year at Ox.
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    It's no wonder our approval ratings remain so low when people are only just beginning to understand the New Labour project 12 years after it began. The party has long since dropped large sections of the third way agenda and moved significantly to the left. Presumably by the time the great British public realise this, it will be about 2021, then.
    Well maybe you need to put it into the public domain, then more people will understand and be able to make a more informed decision! I don't think it would actually make one bit of difference to their ratings at the minute anyway, but anything's worth a try! Can't get much worse for you!
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    (Original post by t3h_y0u553f)
    What exactly were these anti union laws? I heard at one point she tried to ban them (no idea if this is true).

    P.S Sounds like your going to have fun with history and politics next year at Ox.
    Employment Act 1980:
    • Restrictions on picketing and “secondary” action
    • Ballots for new closed shops
    • Abolition of previous basis for recognition rights

    Employment Act 1982:
    • All closed shops subject to ballots
    • Tighter definition of a trade dispute
    • Union faced new liabilities for “unlawful” acts

    Trade Union Act 1984:
    • Mandatory elections by secret ballot for senior official posts in national unions every five years (I happen to support this bit)
    • Ballots required for industrial action to retain immunity
    • Political fund ballots once a decade

    Employment Act 1988
    • Enforcement of post-entry closed shop made “unlawful”
    • Removed right of unions to discipline/expel members for scabbing on strikes
    • Creation of the office of Commissioner for the Rights of Trade Union Members
    Employment Act 1989
    • New, tighter limits on facility time for union representatives
    • Tighter procedures for use of Employment Tribunals and introduction of deposits for those lodging claims

    Employment Act 1990
    • Unions liable for unofficial industrial action in the absence of a written repudiation
    • Selective sacking allowed of those on unofficial strike
    • Absolute bar on “secondary” action
    • Further restrictions on the closed shop

    And she didn't try to ban them (though I doubt she'd have been able to).

    And cheers, I look forward to my degree
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    (Original post by Dionysus)
    The party has long since dropped large sections of the third way agenda
    What major 'third way' policy stances has the Labour Party dropped?
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    Cheers Andy. By the way anarchy=complete and utter fail.
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    Well, look at it this way. In terms of economics at least, what major differences are there between New Labour and the last Conservative government?

    I can only think of a few, such as Bank of England indepedence and more expenditure for public services. But Labour has not reversed Thatcher's privatisations, nor reversed her liberalisation of the economy.

    So this is why New Labour are seen as being centre-right.
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    New Labour is to the right of the Post-War Consensus. Of course, many people regard the Post-War Consensus as far-left rather than some sort of centre.
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    They're centrist, not centre right.

    -Minimum Wage
    -Civil Partnerships
    -Free access to museums
    -Sure Start
    -Winter Fuel payments
    -Ban on fox hunting
    -Free tv licences, swimming and bus passes for pensioners
    -Child tax credits
    -Paternity leave
    -Record numbers in higher education
    -Cancelling debt for developing countries

    These sorts of policies bring New Labour back into the centre ground, but to be a left of centre party they would have to take a stronger stance on taxation and inequality. The real shame is that so many Labour MPs and even ministers truly believe in greater wealth redistribution and find selective education abhorrent etc, but cannot bring themselves to argue for these things publically. The tabloid press holds New Labour by the neck, not allowing ministers to stray too far from crass populism. This is just as much a product of Labour cowardice and Blair's obsession with the press as anything else. Though I still hate the redtops which claim to speak for the working man but consistently oppose fairer taxation and spread malicious lies about immigration.
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    Not to mention the move to traditional centre-right social policy, attempts to appear tougher on crime etc. ID cards, 42 days, ASBOs.

    Which has been a disaster. Quite exciting thinking where we could go after losing the election
 
 
 
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