Think.. What Do You Really Think And Feel About Women Wearing Hijabs??

''Draw their head coverings over their bosoms'', bosoms are breasts not heads, the statement means cover their breasts up. Headscarves were common when the quran was written, therefore it is logical to say that a common piece of clothing should be used to cover up parts of the body.

Learn to read. i find this post hilarious considering the amount of bitching you do about non muslims taking things out of context, which is what have obviously done here without question or thinking.

The word used is "head-coverings". How can you cover your breasts with a head-covering if you don't have a head-covering?

And in any case:

Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: "Asma bint Abu Bakr, entered upon the Apostle of Allah while she was wearing thin clothes. The Apostle of Allah turned his attention from her. He said: O Asma', when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this, and he pointed to her face and hands." Sunnan Abu Dawud 32:4092

Coming from a place where most of the girls wear hijabs, I would have to say that I would never choose to wear it myself.

However, if a woman chooses to wear a hijab out of her own free will and she's happy with it, then I have no problem with it. I just find it horrible when parents force their daughters to wear it - especially at such young ages, which defeats the whole purpose of wearing the hijbab in the first place.

I don't have a problem with women who wear it, I have a problem with anyone who thinks that all Muslim women should else they're "sinners". It's more than a social/religious statement - it's a lifestyle and a lifetime commitment.

This is what is says word for word : draw their head coverings over their bosoms

The quote you used does not at any point say you have to wear a head covering, If you look at traditional middle eastern dress you will find that head coverings were a large piece of cloth that covered both the head and neck. This kind of clothing can easily be drawn down around a woman to cover her breasts, keeping her modest.

The presumption in your quote that a woman would be wearing a head covering is is not an order, it is simply a reference to the common expected dress at the time.

I am not specifically debating the need for the hijab, I am drawing attention to the fact that you are a hypocrite and just like us non muslims are perfectly capable of taking things out of context, which you have done.

Next time if you want to show that the headscarve is required by the quran, actually find a quote where it is a direct command.

Covering the hair only doesn't bother me at all.
One of my best friends in my first secondary school used to wear a headscarf and occasionally a bit of her hair would show by mistake. It always used to embarrass me, as if I had seen something dirty and private. I didn't like feeling like that, especially when she was a rarity and my other best friend who was also a Muslim didn't wear a hijab, but in general, it made no difference to how well we got on.

This isn't out of context. Just read the thing.
"Draw their headcoverings over their bosoms" - it's a bit hard to do if you don't have a headcovering.

Things don't need to be given as direct commands in order to be necessary.

If you're told that you must always use your headcovering to cover your breasts, the command of actually having a head-covering is included.

Because if the only parts of your body which are uncovered are the hands and the face, this automatically means that the rest of the body (including the head) are covered.

You seem to be asking for a direct command "cover your head", even though it isn't needed.

Not its not included, it is implied that the person would normally be wearing a head covering.

But if the person does not have a head-covering, how can they draw a head-covering over their bosoms?

If I commanded you to go and drive a car, included in this is the command to actually get a car first, isn't it?
You can't drive a car if you don't have one.

Similarly, if you're told to cover your breasts with a head-covering, included in this is the command to actually have a head covering. You can't cover your breasts with a head-covering if you don't have one.

Because the hair is also a part of the body.

The only parts of the body which it is acceptable to display are the face (i.e. not the entire head) and the hands.

With no head-covering, the hair remains on display.

I'm giving you the same interpretation of it that all Sunni Islamic scholars, and the majority of Shi'a Islamic scholars have agreed upon - with no attempt to find loopholes or twist words.

And when have I claimed perfect understanding of the entire Qur'an anyway?
Although there are verses in the Qur'an which are certainly not difficult to understand, and which anyone who has read it can claim a perfect understanding of.
The Qur'an itself repeats four times in Chapter 17: And We have indeed made the Qur'an easy to understand and remember: then is there any that will receive admonition?

You are a female right? Females are allowed to see the hair of Muslim girls, so you shouldn't be feeling like that at all.

So you base your religious dogma around a simple implication? you see I think that you get really pissed off when people do the same to imply bad things about your religion.

Implication is not command, that statement requires a covering of the breasts, can you not do that with a high collared shirt and jacket.

No, because the Qur'an says it must be done with a head-covering.
This isn't an implication. It's explicit but indirect.

The Qur'an may not actually say that you have to cover your head, but it gives a command which is impossible to carry out without covering your head.




No, I mean that it's a part of the body.
(Remember that we're dealing with Arabic definitions here, not English ones).




No, it just means that I'm not the one claiming to have a good understanding of the Qur'an, I'm referring you to people who do have a good understanding of it.



Well you could say that about anything really. In Chapter 112, Verse 1, the Qur'an says "Say, that Allah is one/single/unique".

If someone comes and starts telling me that Islam is a polytheistic religion, I will refer them to this verse. Even if I don't have a perfect understanding of it, it's quite likely that the person making such a claim hasn't read this.


Similarly, the person I was originally quoting said that Islam does not require women to cover their heads, and that it's merely cultural.

I'm not even saying that I have a perfect understanding, and that covering one's head is definitely necessary. The only reason I referred them to that verse is because it seems to make it clear that head-coverings are not purely cultural.

I don't need a perfect understanding to be able to do that.

I love how Muslims always have to defend and justify their faiths to non Muslims and atheists like in some way they'll like/understand Islam any better or will convert.

I hate how there's this western hegemony that everything we do is right and everything they do is wrong. It's as if there shouldn't be a difference in culture and religion and there's that has lasted for over 1400 years should be abolished for our modernity.

The only thing i dont understand about women in hijabs is that if it says in their religion that they should, then why do only some women do it? If there are muslim women that don't, then it must mean that it isn't compulsory to wear it.

If it isn't compulsory, then why wear it in this country where people tend to discriminate (justfully) against women in hijabs?

The quote presumes you are already wearing a headscarf since they were rather dominant in the culture at the time, would it not follow that It could quite simply be a cultural implication? and the real command is far more sensible and just refers to women keeping modest whilst covering their breasts?

If you dont wear a headscarf in your culture, could the meaning simply not be to cover up your breasts? The quran was written at a certain time in a certain culture a culture that liked scarfs.

If God commanded you to drive a car to scotland, would you say "Well he never told me to actually get into the car?"
Of course not - because driving a car is impossible without actually being inside the car. Similarly, covering one's breasts with a head-covering is not possible unless this person actually has a head-covering.

What a stupid unconstructive post.

Why should somebody born in Engalnd, in our culture be forced by peer pressure to follow cultures and religious practices that are foreign to this land? why cant people from any culture have the free choice to choose their own interpretation of culture and religion.

I believe in freedom, if that makes me a facist or something then quite frankly I am perfectly happy with that.

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That is the point that is entirely the point. You are claiming, and have done many many times on this forum a moral authoirty which you believe is unquestionable. This is now by your own admission incorrect as you could be wrong. If somebody is a muslim and feels they dont have to wear a headscarf that is their decision and choice, and you have no better moral judgement on the matter than them.